Miles Davis - The Definitive Bootleg Series Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Lonson, Oct 30, 2011.

  1. Johan1880

    Johan1880 Forum Resident

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    Weren't most of the Newport recordings officially available before The Bootleg Series? Apparently it made sense to Sony to (re-)issue those in a box.
     
  2. JETman

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    Sony owns those, and they only put this volume out to celebrate a Newport Jazz Festival anniversary. They were jumping on a bandwagon, so to speak.

    There is absolutely no credible reason for Sony to do 1960. Of course, a record label doing something incredible isn't unheard of either.
     
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  3. macdaddysinfo

    macdaddysinfo Forum Resident

    Ok. What does yours look like, how does it sound, how much did it cost, who did you contact to get this copy..? Thank you very much.
     
  4. macdaddysinfo

    macdaddysinfo Forum Resident

    Would love to see a complete montreux download-that went out of print WAY too fast...
     
  5. JETman

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    A much bigger shame is that the McLaughlin Montreux box went out of print in like 5 minutes, and did not benefit from the same widespread distribution that the Miles box did. It was only released by Warner in Europe, and if you blinked you missed it. IMHO, it's a much more worthy purchase than the Miles box by a wide margin.

    Besides, if Sony sees no reason to reissue the Plugged Nickel set which is in much higher demand among Miles fans, how eager do you suppose they are to reissue a 20 CD set of mostly late period, inferior Miles recordings?
     
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  6. dino77

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    Running time-wise there's about an hour of officially released material on the Newport box ('58, '69). A 1960 tour set with Stockholm and Paris would amount to several hours of official stuff.
     
  7. Johan1880

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    http://imgur.com/sBsBClL

    50 euro's plus shipping. sound like on the official track released by Sony:



    I ordered it in 2013, don't know if it's still available. But Sony is going to release 1960 Miles in the Bootleg Series so I have no doubt this will be coming out in the next few years.
     
  8. JETman

    JETman Forum Resident

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    If you have that on good authority just say so, instead of letting the debate continue.
     
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  9. dajokr

    dajokr Classical "Mega" Box Set Collector

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    I have this version of the 4/9/60 early show, but the officially released 'So What' from the KoB 50th box sounds much cleaner. Not perfect mind, you, but pretty good.

    I have most of the official and grey market releases of the 1960 European tour, and wouldn't mind having them all cleaned up and curated in one place. It's likely correct that no one would make any money on such a project, so it probably won't happen. However, the collector in me wants to see a definitive document of one of the touring highlights of Miles' career.

    I was also lucky enough to score a Montreux box - found it a few years ago for about $100 at Bull Moose in Portsmouth, NH.
     
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  10. JETman

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    An official document of the tour (both Spring and Fall) wouldn't be a bad thing, as you point out. But since such a document would require at least 15-20 CDs, it would automatically fall out of the auspices of the Bootleg Series, which is meant to reveal quick snapshots of any given era/period.
     
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  11. dajokr

    dajokr Classical "Mega" Box Set Collector

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    I suspect you are right, though I think we are watching the Dylan camp re-write the rules of what the Bootleg Series can be.
     
  12. dino77

    dino77 Forum Resident

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    These are the known surviving recordings from Trane's last tour. Looks like 7-8 cds in case they SONY-fy it.

    March 21, 1960 Olympia Theatre - Paris, France Miles (radio broadcast, 2 concerts, 86 min) - Official release, Trema
    March 22, 1960 Konserthuset - Stockholm, Sweden (radio broadcast, 2 concerts, 88 min) - Official release, Dragon
    March 24, 1960 Tivolis Konsertsal - Copenhagen, Denmark (radio broadcast, 1 concert, 47 min)
    * No Miles: March 28, 1960 Apollo Theatre (WDR Studio) - Düsseldorf, Germany
    March 30, 1960 Kongresshalle - Frankfurt, Germany (radio broadcast, 1 concert, 23 min)
    April 3, 1960 Kongress-Saal, Deutsches Museum - Munich, Germany (radio broadcast, 2 concerts, 37 min)
    April 8, 1960 Kongresshaus - Zürich, Switzerland (radio broadcast, 1 concert, 59 min)
    April 9, 1960 Kurhaus - Scheveningen, The Netherlands (radio broadcast, 1 concert, 48 min)
    April 9-10, 1960 Concertgebouw - Amsterdam, The Netherlands (radio broadcast, 1 concert, 45 min)
     
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  13. JETman

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    Believe it or not, rock/pop will always be more important to Sony than jazz, even if we're talking Miles Davis. Add to that the fact that the Davis estate has been traditionally difficult to deal with, and all of a sudden, fewer people care than before.
     
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  14. JETman

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    Leaving out the Fall tour with Stitt makes it more do-able. That's still a lot of people/companies/entities to coordinate with, though. Mosaic gives up under similar circumstances, and they're way more persistent than Sony would probably bother being. If they were to promote it as a HUGE Coltrane thing, and possibly "find" some previously undiscovered stuff, I could see them making an attempt, though.
     
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  15. citizensmurf

    citizensmurf Ambient postpunk will never die

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    Anymore inkling of the next volume might be? I listened to the '67 set again last night and am keen for some more.

    I have a fondness for the electric period, but I love everything he did. '60 with Trane would be supreme. Even some earlier gigs would be welcome.

    I'm curious if anymore gigs from '64 exist, or from the years that didn't have big tours (66, 68, 72...).

    Let's hope we get another set this year.

    Edit: Maybe I can't say I loved him post-75, and I did not buy the Montreux box, but I would appreciate that '73 set getting a seperate release.
     
  16. shepherdfan

    shepherdfan Western European Socialist Music Lover

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    It's weird, but I was also thinking about this over the last few days as well. I hope we get some news in a relatively short period of time.
     
  17. citizensmurf

    citizensmurf Ambient postpunk will never die

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    Hoping the upcoming film will bring about additional new releases.
     
  18. dajokr

    dajokr Classical "Mega" Box Set Collector

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    I was just reorganizing my CD shelves today, and I left a spot for the next volume, thinking: it must be close to news of the next volume. Great minds think alike. ;)
     
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  19. PacificOceanBlue

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    Finally got around to acquiring the At Newport 1955-1975 set; it really is a fine collection. Certainly not perfect and it is always a bit aggravating when labels recycle previously released material on a collector's release that most enthusiasts of the artist will already have, but there is still a lot of great, unreleased material to devour. Looking forward to see what is in store for the upcoming Vol. 5 release. It would be nice to have a break from the 70's fusion period.
     
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  20. subtr

    subtr Forum Resident

    This is the only Bootleg Series that has touched that period, so I'd have to disagree and say more more more! :)
     
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  21. PacificOceanBlue

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    Technically you are correct; I was thinking more of the 1969 and 1970 fusion releases and connecting them with the 70's period. Don't get me wrong, I'll take it, but I would like to see something from pre-1969 next.
     
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  22. Roland Stone

    Roland Stone Offending Member

    Most of these are available in very good form already, though . . . I would hesitate before plunking down money for material I already own that is unlikely to be improved upon.
     
  23. Lonson

    Lonson I'm in the kitchen with the Tombstone Blues Thread Starter

    If they follow their trend we'll have something from the 'seventies bands soon, probably with Bartz on board. I'm in for whatever they release!
     
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  24. subtr

    subtr Forum Resident

    Ah ok I see. Despite this I really feel more is needed from '74 and '75 in general. I'd absolutely love an enormous 1975 box set of some kind, but I lean more heavily towards enjoying the later fusion period. As with everyone else though, I'll buy whatever they put out next regardless!
     
  25. pbuzby

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    Although they already included one fall 1971 show in the Newport set, that tour would be a good candidate for a release someday since nearly all of it was broadcast. I have no idea what they'll do next, though.
     
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