Old Polydor CD "Strange Brew-The Very Best Of Cream" mastered by Dennis Drake. Best sound, cheap!

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Steve Hoffman, Dec 25, 2016.

  1. Myke

    Myke Trying Not To Spook The Horse

    Dennis Drake has been a member here since 2004. We can stop welcoming him now.
     
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  2. Adam9

    Adam9 Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй.

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    Under his Avatar, it reads "New Member". Hence the confusion.
     
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  3. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    Steve, I have the Drake-mastered 1990 CDs of Fresh Cream and Goodbye; do those rate?

    I also have the MFSL mono/stereo Disraeli Gears.

    Gripe: Why doesn't MFSL credit their technical staff?
     
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  4. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    MFSL Vinyl doesn't? On CD no one did before Steve. It became "fashionable" after his name started appearing on some 80's MCA CD's.
     
  5. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    My MFSL CDs are all 1990s issues; they don't give credit.

    All my postings are CD-related.
     
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  6. Rose River Bear

    Rose River Bear Senior Member

    Mine should arrive tomorrow. Looking forward to it.
     
  7. billnunan

    billnunan Forum Resident

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    "I'm So Glad" is in stereo on Cream Gold.
     
  8. CrabbyPantalones

    CrabbyPantalones Active Member

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    There have been a couple stereo remixes, but they suck.
     
  9. Tommyboy

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    Yup
     
  10. pool_of_tears

    pool_of_tears Searching For Simplicity

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    I watched Beware of Mr. Baker last month, and while I gained a serious appreciation for his drumming skills and style, he comes across as a grumpy and frumpy old man. But, I have always dug his drumming.
     
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  11. Myke

    Myke Trying Not To Spook The Horse

    He has only 3 posts. Hence the designation.
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  12. supermd

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    I like "Wrapping Paper." :hide:
     
  13. Vinyl Fan 1973

    Vinyl Fan 1973 "They're like soup, they're like....nothing bad"

    Thanks for clearing that up grumpy pants LOL
     
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  14. BwanaBob

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    Oh well. I owned that CD but dumped it when then 4 disc "complete" Cream boxset came out. Maybe someone picked mine up for a $1.
     
  15. Ric-Tic

    Ric-Tic Forum Resident

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    First I must say I really enjoys these Spotlights. It gives me an opportunity to discover new sounds and tunes. Thank you Steve and please keep them coming!

    The CD just dropped in my mailbox so this is my first listening impression. Generally I tend not to like this kind of lush 70s sound. Basically it makes me sea sick and reminds of my childhood being to warm in clothes made by plastic. But this is really an exemption to my general rule.

    I enjoyed the open airy sound and it didn't sound lush at all to me. During White Room I jumped out of my sofa to look out of my window to see if they have started to clear the roofs sof snow (In Stockholm we had about 20 cm of snow in the last 24 hours) only to realize it was Ginger Baker whacking away onto his drum kit!

    I'm quite easily moved by music and listening to the Cream CD made me realise what it must have been living in UK in the 70s.

    Coming home on a Sunday morning to your small apartment in a newly erected brutalist high rise estate complex after a week end fuelled with too much alcohol and illicit substances and your week end was even crowned with an away win in footie.

    Having your morning cuppa and a morning cigarette on the gallery, watching grey concrete and the rain switch from cats and dogs to a chilly mist. Feeling the hang over kick in. This when you realize that spilt kebab sauce onto your plastic shirt and it will never come off, the alarm clock is set at 5:30 AM on Monday morning and the next week end is 5 dire days away.
     
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  16. Tommyboy

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    My avatar says it all! He's a miserable person
     
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  17. misterjones

    misterjones Smarter than the average bear.

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    I have a variety of Cream CDs, with more on the way. I prefer the Drake Disraeli Gears over the Palmaccio 1998 and the 2004 "Deluxe Edition" (also Palmaccio?) versions, but not by much. I think they all sound good. (The Disraeli Gears tracks on Those Were the Days also sound good, though I only have the Spotify version at present.)
     
  18. Steve Hoffman

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    Nice thoughts but you're a decade off. Cream is from the 1960's.
     
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  19. pool_of_tears

    pool_of_tears Searching For Simplicity

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    Is that him? I sorta wondered.
     
  20. bhazen

    bhazen GOO GOO GOO JOOB

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    Re: the Drake Fresh Cream, Goodbye: Yes! Particularly the latter; more organic-sounding. I also prefer the Disraeli from that CD era to the MFSL, although I haven't done that comparison in ages (I currently only have the DeLuxe 2-CD set).

    I've wondered about the lack of mastering credits on MFSL stuff myself ...

    Yes, I am not Steve. ;)
     
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  21. George P

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    Me too! I recently compared the stereo MFSL and the early WG Disraeli and preferred the latter.
     
  22. Steve Hoffman

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    There were three 1980s masterings of Disraeli before MoFi got it in 1993. The first was a flat transfer from the dupe tape in the UK that was a cutting dub of the Atlantic masters. The second "secret" mastering was by Dennis Drake. The third secret mastering, also from that decade boosted the treble, due to silly consumer complaints that the sonics lacked impact. The SECOND version is the one to find. Sadly, I don't have mine anymore, I use the Mono MoFi when I have the urge.

    GOODBYE master tape was uncovered in the early 1990s. The earlier versions of the CD are OK but I've never compared any of them, before or after the unearthing of the true British master.
     
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  23. misterjones

    misterjones Smarter than the average bear.

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    I see that some (not all) of the 1980 Polydors have what looks like a red hippopotamus with RSO written on it. What does that mean?

    EDIT - This sort of answers my question - RSO Records - Wikipedia » - though I don't see why the logo would appear on some CDs but not on others that otherwise seem virtually identical.
     
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  24. Ric-Tic

    Ric-Tic Forum Resident

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    Thanks. I just tapped in to my (anachronistic) stream of consciousness after my first listening experience with Cream. I am born in mid 70s so I was not around.

    Are different "sounds" defined by decades as clear cut as you are suggesting? Some Cream songs are from 1968-69 and probably lived well into the 70s.
     
  25. Steve Hoffman

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    Well, you said "I tend not to like this kind of lush 70s sound."

    Wasn't sure what you meant, but I divide pop/rock music mainly by technology. So the Cream stuff was recorded on four track and eight track gear, primitive by 1970s standards. So, yeah, for me the 16 track machine (and the consoles/desks to go with it) really changed the sound of everything, around 1970.

    Unless there is a retro engineer using retro gear like Tom Dowd in Miami for LAYLA.
     
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