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Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by George P, May 29, 2015.

  1. scompton

    scompton Forum Resident

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    No Fredrik Ullén on BIS. Count me as a fan of both Sorabji and Ullén.
     
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  2. ando here

    ando here Forum Resident

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    shostakovich, symphony no. 14 & 1 simon rattle, berlin harmoniker

    Soloists Karita Mattila and Thomas Quasthoff highlight the dark Symphony No. 14, handled well by Rattle and the Berlin Harmoniker. Dimitri's "graduation symphony" No. 1 is an added treat.
     
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  3. royzak2000

    royzak2000 Senior Member

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    Playing No 9 from this set again.
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  4. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    A helluva set!
     
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  5. Wes H

    Wes H Forum Resident

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    Wow! What a set.

    You've inspired me to continue playing more of Collard's Fauré this afternoon (via LP)... This is a French release with five Impromptus and nine Préludes.
    Recorded in Paris in November 1980 & June 1981. LP released in 1982.

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  6. Mike burgess

    Mike burgess Forum Resident

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    No it’s Frederick Ullen. He’s doing a fine job!
     
  7. crispi

    crispi Vinyl Archaeologist

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    Thoroughly enjoying these "HIP" Beethoven cello sonata recordings. The fortepiano takes some time getting used to, but its thin sound is more than made up by Isserlis' incredible warmth and fullness of tone on the cello. Very recommended to those looking for a fresh approach to these pieces.
     
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  8. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    Nothing like Schubert in the Fall (or Winter.) This lovely performance is from the big Serkin box.
     
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  9. crispi

    crispi Vinyl Archaeologist

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    I am listening to these Mozart sonata recordings on the fortepiano, the piano's earler version and the kind of instrument Mozart would have used in his time. I must say, I am absolutely charmed! These interpretations by South African pianist Kristian Bezuidenhout are so awesome and the sound of the piano so special that they kind of spoil any other versions on the regular (modern) piano. The sound of the fortepiano he is using is really warm and not as grating as I have heard it sound on older attempts. Still, there is still plenty of honky-tonkiness to it that it will make you smile throughout. Can't recommend these enough:

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  10. crispi

    crispi Vinyl Archaeologist

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    Speaking of the fortepiano, a very interesting video by the artist I mentioned explaining the instrument a little bit:

     
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  11. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    Thanks for sharing all that,@crispi . Myself, I never warmed to the sound of the fortepiano.
     
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  12. hvbias

    hvbias Midrange magic

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    Movie Mars came through on the ~20 GBP the 1955 Goldberg Variations box :eek: So far this is the most intricate, detailed super deluxe I have ever seen, the book could have easily been a stand alone with how well it was researched. Some real minutiae for instance like stamper information that I would think would only be of interest to audiophiles. Cleaned and played the LP and fortunately there were no pressing defects. Looking forward to reading more about these sessions in the coming weeks.

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  13. hvbias

    hvbias Midrange magic

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    Me too, same with harpsichord. Will check those two albums out, thanks crispi.
     
  14. crispi

    crispi Vinyl Archaeologist

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    It was the same with me, too, having only heard older recordings (like the one made by Conrad Hansen for DG in the 50s, included in the DG Mono Era box). But this is something else, it's really very interesting. I guess I'll now have to check out Brautigam's Beethoven sonata cycle on the fortepiano. Bezuidenhout mentions Beethoven in the video I posted and how his chords are really a bit thick for the modern piano and I agree with that, but never really knew why it sounded like that.
     
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  15. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    I have checked out Brautigam's Beethoven and Hadyn and Mozart recordings. No matter what, I always ended up wishing I was listening to a modern piano. So I gave up. Same with harpsichord. It just isn't for me.
     
  16. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    Please let me put in a good word for Jorg Ewald Dahler, who has made recordings on early piano, harpsichord, and organ for the Swiss label Claves (makes sense; he's Swiss himself). After an initial enthusiasm born of swallowing HIP orthodoxy hook, line, and sinker, in later year's I've grown rather lukewarm toward the "fortepianos"--no such term existed historically, by the by; it's a modern coinage by the period instrument movement to differentiate antiques and copies from modern concert instruments. Dahler, however, retains my enthusiasm; he manages to play the old instrument to bring out its characteristic color and even warmth without sounding like some clattery parody of a barroom upright, and he's musicianly enough to take us well beyond mere "Look, Ma, I'm playing a proto-piano!" He made several good recordings of Schubert back in the '80s, give or take.
     
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  17. bruce2

    bruce2 Forum Resident

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    I'm currently listening to Brahms Symphony No. 4 by Claudio Abbado and the Berlin Philharmonic from 1991. Does anyone out there like or have an opinion on this recording?
     
  18. George P

    George P Notable Member Thread Starter

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    I'm not a big fan of the conductor, so I haven't heard that recording, sorry.

    For Brahms symphonies, I like Wand, Barbirolli, Klemperer, Sanderling and 60s Karajan.
     
  19. hvbias

    hvbias Midrange magic

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  20. hvbias

    hvbias Midrange magic

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    I like Abbado and this performance :) I will echo the Barbirolli recommendation and say that Szell is my favorite.
     
  21. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    Klemperer remains my favourite in Brahms, though his 4th is not his best. I like Abbado, and also Carlos Kleiber, one of his few symphonic recordings; I wish he had made more. Bruno Walter's two complete cycles, 1951-1953 with the NYPO and 1958-1959 with the Columbia Symphony Orchestra, are very fine. Toscanini's 1952 London cycle with the Philharmonia Orchestra has a special place, but it's probably not to everyone's taste. And then there is Eduard van Beinum's 1954-1958 cycle with the Concertgebouw Orchestra; I think he was an underrated conductor. Last but certainly not least is George Szell's excellent 1964-1967 cycle with the Cleveland Orchestra.
     
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  22. bruce2

    bruce2 Forum Resident

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    Of the ones you listed I only have the 2nd by Klemperer, and it is very good. However I find the sound quality to be a little lacking for my tastes, probably because it was an early stereo recording by EMI in 1956. As a whole my favorite Brahms symphonies are the Solti and Chicago Symphony on Decca/London. I own the original CD releases from the 80s and they are among the best sounding orchestral discs I own. They are very detailed yet have a warm and full tone with powerful bass. I also find the performances to be excellent.
     
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  23. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    If you prefer more modern and audiophile recordings, forget about my recommendations above, most of them are probably lacking what you are looking for.
     
  24. hvbias

    hvbias Midrange magic

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    I would imagine the recording quality on Ivan Fischer/Budapest Festival Orchestra is reference level if Channel Classics' other symphony recordings are anything to go by. I'm not sure how the Brahms performances are though.
     
  25. crispi

    crispi Vinyl Archaeologist

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    After much soul-searching, I believe Abbado's Brahms cycle with the BPO is my favourite of them all. Everything is just amazing about it and it's the best (in my view) if you combine quality of interpretation with quality of sound. Many older recordings have that je-ne-sais-quoi that this recording still retains in the string sound, but unfortunately the often pinched sound quality of vintage recordings doesn't do them justice – I think Brahms needs to sound lush. So, in the end, it's Abbado for me, as he combines old-school gravitas with new ideas, but not yet quite as lightweight as Chailly's cycle, for instance. It's the perfect combination.
     
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