Could you be more specific please? Interesting about 4/11/72. Will be cool checking this out. In the Dead essays there's this about that riff: PHIL JAZZ JAM There's a particular jazzy Phil riff in 6/8 time that he plays a lot in '73. Sometimes Phil just lightly touches on it and it dies quickly, sometimes Weir joins in with a counterpoint, sometimes the whole band plays with it for a while. I think it's an original riff, rather than (as some say) a Footprints quote, but it's kind of like an early version of the Stronger Than Dirt riff.
The All Music Edition of GSTL is still available: May 1977: Get Shown The Light (All Music Edition) | Grateful Dead
So, Dave said that they would never do a venue-based box... But how is that really different from a geographically themed box like this?
I had a discussion about this with LightintoAshes on his site (in the comments section of one of his blogs; not sure if it was the named jams blog) a year or three ago. He wasn't buying my theory about the 4/11/72 Footprints quote connection to KSM/STDOMTT (nor that Phil's riff was actually Footprints), but I stand by it 100%. It resonates in my bones. And, for the record, the riff was played in 4 (or, the way I view it, 2 bars of four which I count as 8), 5, 6 and 7 after it's original occurrence in 6 on 4/11/72). Then again, I might be 100% full of crap. This is always a possibility that must be considered.
His point was that they would not do a multi-year box based on one venue. A Greek Theater box has been floated as an idea before. I see your point, this box is based on geography but since it is less than a year apart, it is kind of like one tour. They have canmibalized single shows from possible boxes (BCT 72, 2/24/74 Winterland, Three From The Vault, Dave's 18, etc). They are going to need to keep stretching their definitions to make these boxes.
Phil definitely plays a bit of Footprints on 4/11/72 and I think at least one other time during the Europe '72 tour. Whether or not that evolved into KSM/Stronger Than Dirt or whether that evolved independently, I really can't say for sure, but it's certainly an interesting theory.
Just got a second email from custy svc. Either need to cancel and reorder or return the LP set once I receive it. Both are a PITA. Maybe a cancellation so I can grab that LP box via amz.uk? Grrrrrr.
This will be fun, I've been meaning to give the Miles Bootleg Volume 5 another listen anyhow as it contains that session reel and the master take. It ended up as one of my favorites of that series.
Ordering from Spin is like not ordering at all: the end result is that you don't have the box set. The only difference is that if you order from Spin you actually pay for the box set.
I was lukewarm about the concept when that Miles release was announced, but am really glad I bought it, as it's really enjoyable being a fly on the wall with the second great quintet recording my favorite album of theirs. Much more interesting and fun than I expected.
Here's the complete entry on this one: PHIL JAZZ JAM There's a particular jazzy Phil riff in 6/8 time that he plays a lot in '73. Sometimes Phil just lightly touches on it and it dies quickly, sometimes Weir joins in with a counterpoint, sometimes the whole band plays with it for a while. I think it's an original riff, rather than (as some say) a Footprints quote, but it's kind of like an early version of the Stronger Than Dirt riff. One reader wrote a post on this riff, giving it the title of the "Elastic Ping Pong Jam" and using the 6/24/73 Dark Star as a notable example: Grateful Dead - Elastic Jam Early, undeveloped versions of it show up in late '72, I think as early as September. Phil plays this line extensively in the 11/17/72 Other One, starting about 9 minutes in and continuing it on & off for a couple minutes - then he keeps repeating it occasionally in the rest of the jam.An interesting comparison can be made with the 11/19/72 Dark Star - around 8:50 in the Dark Star, Phil starts playing what is recognizably the old Coltrane 'Greensleeves' bass line he'd used for Clementine in '68. It's a similar phrase (it's also in 6/8 meter), but at a very different tempo. The early "Ping Pong" riff in the Other One two nights earlier speeds along at a faster tempo, in 5/8 time (as usual in its early versions). A similar line, but I don't think it's the same - it's possible that one riff developed into the other, in the way that many of Phil's bass lines in '74-75 sound related; or possibly they're independent and just sound similar, since Phil favored that kind of riff. One theory is that this jam further evolved into Stronger Than Dirt/King Solomon's Marbles. Grateful Dead Live at Hofheinz Pavilion on 1972-11-19 : Free Borrow & Streaming : Internet Archive Here's a partial list of where it shows up in '73: 12/31/72 - Grateful Dead Live at Winterland Arena on 1972-12-31 : Free Borrow & Streaming : Internet Archive - start of the Other One after the bass/drums break 2/26/73 - Grateful Dead Live at Pershing Municipal Auditorium on 1973-02-26 : Free Borrow & Streaming : Internet Archive - Dark Star (starts about 10-11m in) 2/28/73 - Grateful Dead Live at Salt Palace on 1973-02-28 : Free Borrow & Streaming : Internet Archive (and Dave's Pick) - Other One (around 4:40) -- These early versions start as 5/8 and switch to 6/8. 6/10/73 - Grateful Dead Live at RFK Stadium on 1973-06-10 : Free Borrow & Streaming : Internet Archive - Dark Star (after the bass solo) 6/24/73 - Grateful Dead Live at Memorial Coliseum on 1973-06-24 : Free Borrow & Streaming : Internet Archive - Dark Star (after 6:20) 6/29/73 - Grateful Dead Live at Universal Amphitheatre on 1973-06-29 : Free Borrow & Streaming : Internet Archive - Other One (around 3:25) 9/11/73 - The Grateful Dead Live at William and Mary College Hall on 1973-09-11 : Free Borrow & Streaming : Internet Archive - Dark Star (about 10-11m in) 10/30/73 - Grateful Dead Live at Kiel Auditorium on 1973-10-30 : Free Borrow & Streaming : Internet Archive - Dark Star (at 6:20) I'm sure more examples can be found - I haven't tried to find all the different renditions, so this list is still in progress. As far as I know, this jam dies away in late '73. Some more comments on it here: Grateful Dead Guide: 1972 Melodic Jams
My thoughts exactly, both before hearing it and after I believe I listened to it half-a-dozen times when I first got it. (Mrs. Ax was chuckling at Miles' profanities.) The entire thing is fascinating, I hope they can find more material to do this with in a future edition. (Of course choosing favorites in that series is impossible.)
I don't have any notes on another Footprints quote from E'72, but while scrolling through, I realized that I'd be remiss if I didn't at least mention what Phil does on the 4/17/72 Copenhagen Truckin' from 7:08-7:43. Mind-blowing. No other band but the GoGD would allow their bass player to do that in rehearsal, let alone in performance. And thank god for that. Come to think of it, after the episode where Jerry pushed Phil down a short flight of stairs in '67 or '68 for playing badly, and then, upon listening to the tapes, proclaimed his work fantastic, I think the band took a very laissez-faire attitude toward what was acceptable for each member to attempt on stage. This didn't always result in good, but I'm quite sure that it resulted in more good than bad. Back to the Footprints/KSM/STDOMTT (I love this acronym for some stupid reason) association, I'd like to think that the mere fact that I think so would be sufficient to sway you.
It certainly helps make the case. Anyway, I've never listened to those various excerpts in succession. Probably should at some point.
Re: SBD sources and patches, etc - I’m not convinced emailing Dave would receive a satisfactory response, but given that some of our corps has a rapport with Jeffrey Norman it might be worth someone inquiring on behalf of the group.... just a thought
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It's too bad that they printed so few copies of the Winterland '77 boxset. If they re-released it for < $150, I'd be clicking "buy" faster than Steph Curry's shoots a jumpshot.
