Doors cd confusion

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by KWDJ, Dec 28, 2013.

  1. MikeP5877

    MikeP5877 V/VIII/MCMLXXVII

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    The 2006 Perception CDs use the same mastering as the 1999 CDs.
     
  2. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    That's what I had always thought, but then I thought some folks here were saying that this was not the case.
     
  3. Ash76

    Ash76 Wait actually yeah no

    As I got into the Doors in the early 90s and bought all their albums soon after (except LA Woman as I had the cassette for years before upgrading) I guess that I have the 88 editions (not at home so I can't look). I also have the 97 Box Set. I haven't bought any other versions of the Doors albums since then.
    As far as vinyl is concerned, I only have Other Voices and Full Circle on vinyl. Am I best to get the original albums or the recent reissues?
     
  4. pig whisperer

    pig whisperer CD Member

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    I am reading the post as they are different masterings. They are the same?. Which is correct?

    Do the 2006 "Perception" CDs use the 1999 HDCD Botnick/Grundman masterings from "The Cube"?

    EAC anyone?



    See above. We'll get to the bottom of this.

    The '85 CD has the originally released version. If the info is correct, the 1988 remaster is also the original non-high/non-F chant version.

    Thanks. I'll add that when I update.


    Thanks. The Japan 18P2-2690.

    I am having trouble finding the first Japan release of the other Rothchild/Botnick/Doors remasters. UK imports were released in 1990 and these may be the first release (UK for Japan).
     
  5. MikeP5877

    MikeP5877 V/VIII/MCMLXXVII

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    The 1999 and 2006 CDs are the same mastering.

    See quote below from Jeff Jampol:

     
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  6. reb

    reb Money Beats Soul

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    Long Island
    -

    ************************************************************************

    Essential Rarities is HDCD encoded.

    *Disc 1 from LAW Deluxe is the original mix and HDCD encoded Disc 2 not HDCD encoded
    * note disc 1 from LAW deluxe 48:33
    99 remaster 48:51
     
  7. pig whisperer

    pig whisperer CD Member

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    Thanks.

    I'll add this to the next update.

    Is the 1997 "Box Set" HDCD encoded?

    http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~jt8j-mtok/010515f.htm#C08
     
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  8. Chris Haley

    Chris Haley Music Lover Lurker

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    Wow well either way I'm happy the Perception boxset CDs have the original mixes. This would've been easier if the booklet had more information.

    So my understanding now is the Perception boxset CD main album tracks are the 1999 remasters (Bruce Botnick & Bernie Grundman), but the bonus tracks on the CDs are 2006 remasters (Bruce Botnick). The DVDs are all mixed/mastered by Bruce Botnick. That explains a lot more than just "Surround Sound and Stereo Mastering: Bruce Botnick" haha!
     
  9. pig whisperer

    pig whisperer CD Member

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    Update. Please post any additions or corrections.


    Can someonce confirm the time of "We Could Be So Good Together" on the 1985 CD?

    Is the 1997 "The Box" HDCD encoded?





    1983

    Alive She Cried - mastered by Bernie Grundman


    1985

    - original mix/no mastering credit

    The music on this Compact Disc was originally recorded on analog equipment.
    We have attempted to preserve, as closely as possible, the sound of the original recording.
    Because of its high resolution, however, the Compact Disc can reveal limitations of the tape source.


    The Doors
    Strange Days
    Morrison Hotel
    L.A Woman
    Waiting For The Sun


    The Soft Parade is not part of this series

    The Best Of The Doors - original mixes/mastered by Bruce Botnick at Digital Magnetics, Los Angeles, CA.

    1987

    Live At The Hollywood Bowl - no mastering credit


    1988

    - original mix/mastered by Paul A. Rothchild, Bruce Botnick and The Doors

    The Doors
    Strange Days
    Waiting For The Sun
    ( "Wintertime Love" has wrong vocal take)
    The Soft Parade
    Morrison Hotel
    L.A. Woman



    1991

    In Concert - original mixes/mastered by Paul A. Rothchild and Bruce Botnick at Digital Magnetics, Los Angeles, CA.

    "Comprised of live recordings previously found on 'Absolutely Live', 'Alive She Cried' and 'Live At The Hollywood Bowl'
    with the exception of 'The End', until now unavailable on record."



    1993

    DCC 24 karat gold CD

    - original mix/mastered by Steve Hoffman.

    The Doors
    Strange Days
    Waiting For The Sun
    - GZS-1045
    L.A Woman - GZS-1035 (49:02)


    1995

    An American Prayer - Jim Morrison / music by The Doors (61812-2)
    Greatest Hits (Canada: WTVD 61860; Germany 61860-2)


    1996

    Absolutely Live - original mix/remastered by Paul A. Rothchild, Bruce Botnick and The Doors.


    1997

    Box Set - mastered by Bruce Botnick

    http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~jt8j-mtok/010515f.htm#C08


    1999

    The Complete Studio Recordings (aka The Cube) HDCD

    http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~jt8j-mtok/010515f.htm#C09

    - original mix

    - Remastered from the original 2 track masters to 96kHz 24 bit by Bruck Botnick and Bernie Grundman
    at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, California, U.S.A., August 1999


    - no bonus tracks

    - titles also released separately

    The Doors (original mix with alt. "Break On Through" high/"The End" F-bombs)
    Strange Days
    Waiting For The Sun
    The Soft Parade
    (75005-2)
    Morrison Hotel
    L.A. Woman
    (48:51)
    Essential Rarities


    2000

    L.A. Woman - DVD-Audio - 62612-9 - original mix + 5.1 surround mix

    - Mastered by Bruce Botnick at 96 khz/24 bit resolution.
    - DVD-A - 5.1 produced & mixed by Bruce Botnick from the original 8-track analog masters
    - Audio authoring and mastering supervisor, Al McPherson.
    - Mixing studio, Bernie Grundman Mastering.

    - Photo Gallery, Lyrics, Bio, Video "The Changeling"


    - How long is the original album on this one? (2 channel)


    2006

    Perception - 40th Anniversary Box (with bonus tracks) - CD + DVD-A

    - Mastered by Bruce Botnick

    - CD: original mix - 1999 Botnick/Grundman HDCD remasters from "The Cube" (bonus tracks mastered for the first time)

    - DVD: 2 channel 40th Anniversary remix / 5.1 DTS encoded surround sound mix.


    - track listings and bonus tracks: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~jt8j-mtok/010515f.htm#C18

    The Doors (CD: original mix with alt. "Break On Through" high/"The End" F-bombs -- DVD remix: speed corrected "Light My Fire")
    Strange Days
    Waiting For The Sun
    The Soft Parade
    Morrison Hotel
    L.A. Woman


    - reissued in 2007 without the peephole on the box.

    - The remixes from the DVD were released individually on CD in 2007


    2007

    Remix versions from the 2006 40th Anniversary Perception box with bonus tracks - CD text.

    Remix produced, engineered and mixed by Bruce Botnick / Mastered by Bruce Botnick at Uniteye, Ujai, CA

    The Doors (Canada: R2 101184)
    Strange Days (Can: R2 101183)
    Waiting For The Sun (Can: R2 101191)
    The Soft Parade (Can: R2 101187; US: 8122-79998-2)
    Morrison Hotel (Can: R2 101173)
    L.A. Woman (Can: R2 101155)


    2009

    Audio Fildelity 24 karat gold CD - HDCD

    - original mix/mastered by Steve Hoffman

    The Soft Parade (AFZ ****) - bonus track: The Soft Parade (40th Anniversary remix)

    Morrison Hotel (AFZ 037-2) -bonus track: Roadhouse Blues (40th Anniversary remix), Waiting for the Sun (40th Anniversary remix)

    - matrix for corrected version is: $AFZ037 B9A14N (mastering SID code: IFPI L532)


    2011/09/28

    The Doors - Hybrid SACD (Japan - WPCR-14174)

    - 2006 40th Anniversary remix and 5.1 surround sound
    - speed corrected "Light My Fire"



    2012

    - original mix/no mastered by credit. No bonus tracks.

    The Doors
    Strange Days
    Waiting for the Sun
    (R2-531886) ( "Wintertime Love" has wrong vocal take)
    The Soft Parade
    Morrison Hotel
    L.A. Woman


    - any additional information about this series? Does "The Doors" have the high/F-bomb versions?
    H0w long is "L.A. Woman"?




    L.A Woman - 40th Anniversary Edition 2 CD set

    - Original mix/mastered by Bruck Botnick
    - disc 1 is 48:33 HCDC
    - disc 2 is not HDCD


    Deluxe two CD edition, released to coincide with the 40th Anniversary of this iconic album. This release features a never-before-heard song, 'She Smells So Nice', which captures the band--organist Ray Manzarek, guitarist Robby Krieger, drummer John Densmore and late singer Jim Morrison joyfully barreling through a full-throttle original before segueing into the Blues standard 'Rock Me'. The track was recently discovered by producer Bruce Botnick while reviewing the L.A. Woman session tapes. In addition to 'She Smells So Nice', the second disc includes eight never-before-heard versions of songs offering a fresh view on this landmark album, which was the group s sixth straight Top 10. The studio chatter between the songs is a revelation, transporting listeners to The Doors Workshop: the West Hollywood rehearsal space where they recorded the album with Botnick. One segment in particular captures a fascinating moment of inspiration when Morrison suggests they add the now-iconic thunderstorm sound effects to the beginning of 'Riders On The Storm'.



    Hybrid SACD http://www.analogueproductions.com/index.cfm?do=search

    - original mix + 5.1 surround mix

    - mastered by Doug Sax


    "The surround sound program on the Doors SACDs comes from the original 96K, 24-bit files
    mixed and mastered by Bruce Botnick for the DVD-Audio Perception release."


    "[mastered] from the original analog masters by Doug Sax, with the exception of The Doors,
    which was made from the best tape copy."


    "The Doors self-titled 1967 release famously contains some incorrect speed and pitch issues.
    While there have been "corrected" versions made, in the interests of being historically accurate,
    this Analogue Productions reissue was cut without speed or pitch correction."


    The Doors
    Strange Days
    Waiting For The Sun
    The Soft Parade
    Morrison Hotel
    L.A. Woman


    Infinite - box with all six SACD - http://www.analogueproductions.com/index.cfm?do=detail&Title_ID=83212
     
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  10. Marc 74

    Marc 74 Senior Member

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    Clocks in at 2.09.
     
  11. reb

    reb Money Beats Soul

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    Can someonce confirm the time of "We Could Be So Good Together" on the 1985 CD?
    2:09
    1999 - All HDCD
    The Doors (original mix with alt. "Break On Through" high/"The End" F-bombs) 74007-2
    Strange Days 74014-2
    Waiting For The Sun 74024-2
    The Soft Parade (75005-2)
    Morrison Hotel 75007-2
    L.A. Woman (48:51) 75001-2
    Essential Rarities 62434-2G HDCD
     
  12. RingoStarr39

    RingoStarr39 Forum Resident

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    I have a CD of Morrison Hotel with a catalog number of 62434-2E. It has a red Elektra label. Discogs says that this is the 1999 remaster, but I'm not sure.
     
  13. MikeP5877

    MikeP5877 V/VIII/MCMLXXVII

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    To confuse matters more....there are some mispressings out there of the 1999 Soft Parade that actually use the previous (1988?) mastering. All of the packaging indicates 1999, the CD even has the red Elektra label like the 1999, but it ain't the 1999. I had one of these.
     
  14. reb

    reb Money Beats Soul

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    One way to tell for sure that it is the 1999 remaster would be to check for HDCD encoding.
     
  15. pig whisperer

    pig whisperer CD Member

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    Thanks Reb.

    Thanks.


    Those are the calalogue numbers for the discs in the 1999 "Cube."


    The catalogue numbers for the single 2001 issues are:

    The Doors 74007-2
    Strange Days 74014-2
    Waiting For The Sun 74024-2
    The Soft Parade 75005-2
    Morrison Hotel 75007-2
    L.A. Woman (48:51) 75001-2
    Essential Rarities E2 62530 - (P)(C) 1999 - is there also a 740**-2 or 7500*-2 catalogue number for this one?


    I asked a member for the EAC numbers for his 1988 pressing to compare.


    This is the info for my copy of "The Soft Parade" - 75005-2 - HDCD

    Note: it has the "Cube" catalogue number in the matrix (62434-2.4). The 4 would equal the fouth album. The "Cube" has "D" (62434-2D) in its catalogue number.

    Matrix: 2 62434-2.4 01 M1S8 X9901
    EAC: all 98.9%
     
  16. RingoStarr39

    RingoStarr39 Forum Resident

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    Ah, okay. The matrix for the 1999 Morrison Hotel is: 2 62434-2.5 03 M1S5 Y9724 (mould SID code: IFPI 2U7H)

    Here's more that's missing from the list:

    1988

    The Doors (74007-2) (Matrix: 2 74007-2 SRC+04)
    The Soft Parade (75005-2) (Matrix: 2 75005-2 SRC+07)
    L.A. Woman (EKS-75011-2) (Matrix: 2 75011-2 SRC+04)
     
  17. RingoStarr39

    RingoStarr39 Forum Resident

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  18. JeffR714

    JeffR714 Well-Known Member

    Both Infinite boxes are excellent the 45RPM vinyl sounds amazing as do the SACD's just a opinion
     
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  19. PacificOceanBlue

    PacificOceanBlue Senior Member

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    Man, that catalogue has been a mess for a long time. I actually don't mind the Cube/Perception remasters - although I hate the revisionist elements on the first album. Still, as much as I hate to say it, I would be intrigued by a properly done set of remastered albums in original mixes (including mono where applicable).

    And not to derail this too much, but I am still pissed that the LA Woman outtakes got shelved!
     
  20. pig whisperer

    pig whisperer CD Member

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    Thanks Ringo. The 1999 "The Soft Parade" mastering is the one in question from the set.



    Mike, do you remember if this was from the 1999 "Cube" or the 2001 single CD release? I wonder if both the box and single issues have the mx up.


    We'll go with the 1988 mastering as it is the only previous mastering (unless there is a secret mastering kicking around.)


    The total time for the 1988 Rothchild/Botnick/Doors mastering is 33:50. The EAC numbers are:

    74.1 %/78.1 %/84.2 %/42.1 %/70.7 %/90.3 %/88.5 %/85.1 %/80.7 % (not HDCD encoded)


    The Soft Parade - 62434-2D (CD from 1999 "Cube" box set) Botnick/Grundman remaster - HDCD
    The Soft Parade - 75005-2 (2001 single issue from "Cube") Botnick/Grundman remaster - HDCD

    Matrix from 75005-2: 2 62434-2.4 01 M1S8 X9901
    EAC: all tracks 98.9%



    Is this easy to follow?


    1999

    The Complete Studio Recordings (aka The Cube) HDCD

    http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~jt8j-mtok/010515f.htm#C09

    - original mix - Remastered from the original 2 track masters to 96kHz 24 bit by Bruck Botnick
    and Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, California, U.S.A., August 1999


    - no bonus tracks

    The Doors - (26434-A) original mix with alt. "Break On Through" high/"The End" F-bombs
    Strange Days (26434-B)
    Waiting For The Sun (26434-C)
    The Soft Parade (26434-D)* 33:54
    Morrison Hotel (26434-E)
    L.A. Woman (26434-F) 48:51
    Essential Rarities (26434-G)

    *Some pressings of "The Soft Parade" may contain a different mastering. Correct version is HDCD. EAC: all 98.9%

    Titles released as single CDs in 2001.



    2001

    -Single CD issue of 1999 The Complete Sudio Recordings (Cube) HDCD

    - original mix - Remastered from the original 2 track masters to 96kHz 24 bit by Bruck Botnick
    and Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, California, U.S.A., August 1999


    - no bonus tracks

    The Doors - (74207-2) original mix with alt. "Break On Through" high/"The End" F-bombs
    Strange Days (74014-2)
    Waiting For The Sun (74024-2)
    The Soft Parade (75005-2)* 33:54
    Morrison Hotel (750007-2)

    L.A. Woman (75001-2) 48:51
    Essential Rarities (E2 62530)

    *Some pressings of "The Soft Parade" may contain a different mastering. Correct version is HDCD. EAC: all 98.9%
     
  21. dpv2008

    dpv2008 Forum Resident

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    48.36
     
  22. stevemoss

    stevemoss Forum Resident

    BTW - the Audio Fidelity of "The Soft Parade" is catalog number AFZ038
     
  23. MikeP5877

    MikeP5877 V/VIII/MCMLXXVII

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    The mispressing was from a a standalone disc, not from the cube. They weren't all misspressed, just some.
     
  24. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    I picked up 2012 CDs of The Soft Parade and Morrison Hotel yesterday. The back insert for The Soft Parade mentions the 40th anniversary remixes, but the back insert for Morrison Hotel doesn't. I am traveling, so I haven't listened to them yet. Hopefully I will get to listen to them in a few days.
     
  25. pig whisperer

    pig whisperer CD Member

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    Tokyo, Japan
    L.A Woman - 40th Anniversary Edition 2 CD set

    - Original mix/mastered by Bruck Botnick
    - disc 1 - HDCD encoded - 48:33
    - disc 2 - not HDCD encoded


    Does disc 1 of the 2012 40th Anniversary Edition use the 1999 HDCD Botnick/Grundman mastering or is it a new 2012 mastering? The play times are different, so I assume it is a new mastering. I am curious about the single 2012 CDs.



    The play times are different. Are there slight edit differences or do they run a different speed, etc.

    1985 - L.A Woman - no mastering credit -
    1988 - L.A. Woman - Rothchild/Botnick/Doors -
    1993 - L.A Woman - DCC - 49:02
    1999 - L.A. Woman - Botnick/Grundman HDCD - 48:51
    2000 - L.A. Woman - DVD-Audio - 48.36
    2012 - L.A. Woman -
    2012 - L.A Woman - 40th Anniversary Edition - HDCD - 48:33
    2013 - L.A. Woman - SACD - Doug Sax -
     

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