Thanks. I'll just mark the single disc the next time I update the full list. Thanks. I am curious about these. I wonder if the "L.A. Woman" CD is the same mastering as the 40th Anniversary Edition. Forever Young/"The Red Sale" series was released at a low price in Japan this year. I think they are HDCD -- I would have to see the back of the obi for each title to know for sure. My guess is some (or all) might be the 1999 Botnick/Grundman HDCD remasters; however, the 2006 remix for the debut album has appeared on the Japan SACD and seems popular, so it could be a mixed series. http://www.clinck.co.jp/merurido/dtl.php?ky=WPCR78071
The time difference between disc #1 LAW deluxe and the 99 remaster is due to indexing length between tracks. It is shorter for the deluxe. Mastering sounds the same. Someone else can check the EAC level to confirm.
L.A.Woman (40th Anniversary 2012) Mixed and mastered at Uniteye Studios, Ojai, California(Botnick) The Changeling 98.9 % Love Her Madly 98.9 % Been Down So Long 98.9 % Cars Hiss By My Window 98.9 % L.A.Woman 98.9 % L´America 99.3 % Hyacinth House 98.8 % Crawling King Snake 98.9 % The WASP 98.9 % Riders On The Storm 98.9 % L.A.Woman (1999 Remaster) Remastered at Bernie Grundman Mastering,Hollywood,California(Botnick,Grundman) The Changeling 98.9 % Love Her Madly 98.9 % Been Down So Long 98.9 % Cars Hiss By My Window 98.9 % L.A.Woman 98.9 % L´America 98.9 % Hyacinth House 98.8 % Crawling King Snake 98.9 % The WASP 98.9 % Riders On The Storm 98.9 % They share the exact same levels except for L´America.
Just for the record, the 40th deluxe is dated as a 2011 release. In regards to disc # 1, the times listed in the booklet are wrong for every single track. Except for L' America, which is listed correctly at 4:34.
I edited my post to read dated as 2011. Amazon has it listed as a 2012 release. And yes it matters, I don't want to create more confusion.
I'll change the 40th Anniversary Edition to 2011 if this is the date on the CD. Interesting. Is "L'America" the same length on both discs? The CDs are different lengths and I wonder if something has been changed on this track. Does anyone know why the 40th Anniversary Edition 18 seconds shorter? 1999 - L.A. Woman - Botnick/Grundman - HDCD - 48:51 2011 - L.A Woman - 40th Anniversary Edition - HDCD - 48:33 I guess the 98.9% level is the "Botnick/Grundman level." The 1999 "The Soft Parade" is also all 98.9%. Can anyone fill in the play times for these? 1985 - L.A Woman - no mastering credit - 1988 - L.A. Woman - Rothchild/Botnick/Doors - 1993 - L.A Woman - DCC - Hoffman - 49:02 1999 - L.A. Woman - Botnick/Grundman - HDCD - 48:51 2000 - L.A. Woman - DVD-Audio - Botnick - 48.36 2011 - L.A. Woman - 40th Anniversary Edition - HDCD - 48:33 2012 - L.A Woman - mastering? - 2013 - L.A. Woman - SACD - Doug Sax -
Most tracks lose 2-3 seconds on the 40th.Anniversary. Maybe they just removed the spaces between the tracks. Need to check that later.
I have this 2003 long box reissue of "The Complete Studio Recordings”: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000A1LSP In it both "Waiting For The Sun" and "Soft Parade" mistakenly have the 1988 mastering. From earlier Doors threads I got the impression that maybe only the first pressings of these two titles (in original box set and early stand alone CD's?) use the 1999 remastering and then after a while some error made them revert back to the previous mastering.
Thanks Marc. Interesting. I'll make a note the next update. What are the catalogue and matrix numbers for these two?
"Waiting For The Sun": 62434-2C (Matrix: 2 62434-2.3 02) "Soft Parade": 62434-2D (Matrix: 2 62434-2.4 02) So they look like remasters, but the content is the same as my older CD's.
Thanks. I wonder if all the "02" matrix numbers from the 2009 reissue are all incorrect. The matrix from the 2001 "The Soft Parade" single CD I have ends with "01." How long are your "Waiting For The Sun" CDs? We may know by looking at the time. Waiting For The Sun (1988) - Waiting For The Sun (1999) - The Soft Parade (1988) - 33:50 The Soft Parade (2001 single HDCD CD) - 33:54 - 2 62434-2.4 01 - EAC: all tracks 98.9%
All the CD's in my box end with "02" but the others have the '99 remastering (with HDCD), so there is no way to visually distinguish these. Waiting For The Sun ("1988") - 33:14 Waiting For The Sun ("1999") - 33:14 (2003 box set) (These have the wrong take of "Wintertime Love" and the long "We Can Be So Good Together".) The Soft Parade ("1988") - 33:52 The Soft Parade ("1999") - 33:53 (2003 box set) (So these are not 100% identical, but the one in the box does not have HDCD encoding and sounds exactly like the old copy.) I double checked the timings in a different player and then got 2 seconds less for all four of them, so I am not sure this is a good way to compare... I should add that my "old" CD's are made in Germany, so that can account for slight differences. They do not state a year except the original release year but I bought them in mid ninties before the remasters came out. When I check the catalogue numbers on Amazon I get 1991, so I am not sure calling them "1988" is correct, where does this year come from?
The previous remasters were first released in 1988. Are they mastered by Rothchild/Botnick/Doors from the original master tapes for superior sound? Okay, I'll include the times and the EAC numbers for the correct 1999 remasters. "The Soft Parade" and "L.A. Woman" are all 98.9%. "Waiting For The Sun" can also be determined by the wrong vocal take on "Wintertime Love." Waiting For The Sun (1988) - 33:14 Waiting For The Sun (1999) - The Soft Parade (1988) - 33:50 The Soft Parade (1999) - 33:54 -HDCD - EAC: all tracks 98.9%
Something else that adds to the confusion when discussing the 1999 remasters is that in Europe (and other parts of the world as well, Australia at least) these were introduced as "secret remasters", they looked exactly like the older CD's, the only difference was the packaging which had a clear plastic tray and a grey inlay card that said "Digitally Remastered" along the edge (the same thing happened with The Eagles' remasters). So while the US remasters are clearly different by apperance the European remasters look just like the previous CD's, both disc and artwork (except the inlay card under the tray). I have seen this muddy the waters before when participants from both sides of the pond discuss this, so I thought it should be mentioned.
Is this easy to follow? I need the EAC numbers and time for the 1999 Waiting For The Sun. 1999 The Complete Studio Recordings (aka The Cube) HDCD http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~jt8j-mtok/010515f.htm#C09 - original mix - no bonus tracks - Remastered from the original 2 track masters to 96kHz 24 bit by Bruck Botnick and Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, California, U.S.A., August 1999 The Doors - (26434-A) - original mix with alt. "Break On Through" high/"The End" F-bombs Strange Days (26434-B) Waiting For The Sun (26434-C)* - The Soft Parade (26434-D)* - 33:54 - EAC: all 98.9% Morrison Hotel (26434-E) L.A. Woman (26434-F) 48:51 Essential Rarities (26434-G) Titles released as single CDs in 2001 Cube reissued as a Long Box in 2003 *Some pressings of the 2001 CDs and the 2003 Long Box may mistakenly use the non-HDCD 1988 masterings for The Soft Parade (33:50) and Waiting For The Sun (**:**). The 1988 Waiting For The Sun uses the wrong vocal take on "Wintertime Love" ("trying desperately to be free" is not correct; "trying so desperately to be free" is correct.) Incorrect masterings have not been reported for the original 1999 The Complete Studio Recordings at this time. 2001 Single CD issues from the 1999 The Complete Sudio Recordings - HDCD - original mix - no bonus tracks - Remastered from the original 2 track masters to 96kHz 24 bit by Bruck Botnick and Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, California, U.S.A., August 1999 The Doors - (74207-2) - original mix with alt. "Break On Through" high/"The End" F-bombs Strange Days (74014-2) Waiting For The Sun (74024-2)* - The Soft Parade (75005-2)* - 33:54 - EAC: all 98.9% Morrison Hotel (750007-2) L.A. Woman (75001-2) 48:51 Essential Rarities (E2 62530) *some pressings may mistakenly use the non-HDCD 1988 masterings for The Soft Parade (33:50) and Waiting For The Sun (**:**). The 1988 Waiting For The Sun uses the wrong vocal take on "Wintertime Love" ("trying desperately to be free" is not correct; "trying so desperately to be free" is correct.) 2003 - Long Box reissue of The Complete Studio Recordings - HDCD (see: 1999 release for details)
They were released in Japan. They are the 1999 masterings. They *might* say HDCD on the back of the obi. I'll add something about the tray card for the European single CD release of the 1999 masterings. What are the catalogue numbers for these? My Japanese release thread is about done. I am trying to find out exactly what was released in 2012. They are probably the HDCDs, but I want to be sure for each title.
Everything is exactly the same as the "1988" CD's, as far as I remember, but I don't own any of these. I thought these were supposed to be the 40th remixes, except we established "Waiting For The Sun" (once again) mistakenly uses the 1988 mastering? It would be great if those that might have any of these could verify what mix/mastering is on each title in this 2012 release series, and do this by listening and not reading, because as should be obvious by now you can't judge a Doors CD by the covers...
I was wondering about the Japan CDs from the 2012 Forever Young "The Red Sale" series. They might be budget reissues of the last WPCR Forever Young series, which use the HDCD remasters. Keith is going to checkout these US pressings.
This is the list I put together of Japanese releases. There area few imports included. The Doors releases in Japan. 1986/05/25 The music on this Compact Disc was originally recorded on analog equipment. We have attempted to preserve, as closely as possible, the sound of the original recording. Because of its high resolution,however, the Compact Disc can reveal limitations of the tape source. - original mix - 3,200 Yen Strange Days - 32XD-401 Waiting For The Sun - 32XD-402 (We Could Be So Good Together 2:07) Morrison Hotel - 32XD-403 L.A Woman - 32XD-404 The Doors - 32XD-405 - The Soft Parade is not part of this series. 1987/08/25 Live At The Hollywood Bowl - 28XD-775 - 2,800 Yen - "Light My Fire" edit of live version [CD only] The Best Of The Doors - 55XD-776/7 - 5,500 Yen - original mixes - mastered by Bruce Botnick at Digital Magnetics, Los Angeles, CA. 1988/11/10 Forever Young Series - 2,000 Yen - reissue of the 1986 releases The Doors - 20P2-2344 Waiting For The Sun - 20P2-2345 (We Could Be So Good Together 2:07) Morrison Hotel - 20P2-2346 L.A. Woman - 20P2-2347 1989/05/10 Forever Young Series - 1,820 Yen Strange Days - 18P2-2689 - reissue of 1986 release The Soft Parade - 18P2-2690 - original mix - This recording has been digitically remastered from the Original Master Tapes for superior sound quality by Paul A. Rothchild, Bruce Botnick and The Doors. Alive She Cried - 18P2-2691 1990/10/25 Amazon Japan released these UK import titles. I can't find any Japanese pressings with the Rothchild/Botnick/Doors remasters. Other than the 18P2 The Soft Parade, this could be the first release of these masterings in Japan. These may have been reissued 1994/7/8 or 1995/01/01 at 1,764 Yen. - original mix - This recording has been digitically remastered from the Original Master Tapes for superior sound quality by Paul A. Rothchild, Bruce Botnick and The Doors. The Doors Strange Days – 7559-74014-2 Waiting For The Sun – 7559-74024-2 The Soft Parade Morrison Hotel L.A. Woman 1991/04/10 The Doors: An Oliver Stone Film - WMC5-345 - 2,400 Yen 1991/05/25 The Best Of The Doors - WMC5-370/1 - 3,975 Yen - mastered by Bruce Botnick at Digital Magnetics, Los Angeles, CA. 1991/06/25 The Doors: An Oliver Stone Film - WMC5-351 [single] - 15,53 Yen 1. Break On Through, 2. Love Street, 3. Hello, I Love You, 4. Touch Me In Concert - WMC5-375/6 - 3,975 Yen This recording has been digitically remastered from the Original Master Tapes for superior sound quality by Paul A. Rothchild, Bruce Botnick and The Doors. Comprised of live recordings previously found on "Absolutely Live," "Alive She Cried" and "Live At The Hollywood Bowl" with the exception of 'The End', until now unavailable on record. 1993 DCC 24 karat gold CD - 3,500 Yen - Initial master tapes prepared by Bruce Botnick - 24 Karat Gold engineering director: Steve Hoffman - CD prep: Kevin Gray - Manufacturing coordinator (Japan): Akira Tange - Laser cutting engineers: Hideo Tanifuji and Hiroshi Katsumata - Gold disc manufacturing: Superior Disc Corp., Tokyo, Japan The Doors - GZS-1023 Strange Days - GZS-1026 LA Woman - GZS-1034 Waiting For The Sun - GZS-1045 1995/06/25 An American Prayer - WPCR-275 - 2,447 Yen 1995/12/01 Greatest Hits - WPCR-537 - 2,447 Yen Additional tracks: Love Her Madly Ghost Song The End (from Apocolypse Now) Wintertime Love (alternate vocal - Japan CD only) 1996/12/21 Absolutely Live - AMCY-2051 - 2,447 Yen 1997/11/25 Forever Music - 1,785 Yen - Reissue of first 80's mastering The Doors – AMCY-3040 1997/12/25 Box Set - AMCY-2461/4 - 7,619 Yen http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~jt8j-mtok/010515f.htm#C08 1998/05/25 Greatest Hits - AMCY-2648 - 1,980 Yen 1998/9/25 Forever Music - 1,785 Yen - Reissue of first 80’s masterings Strange Days – AMCY-3186 Waiting For The Sun – AMCY-3187 (We Could Be So Good Together 2:07) The Soft Parade – AMCY-3188 Morrison Hotel – AMCY-3189 L.A. Woman – AMCY-3190 1998/11/27 - See: 1997/12/25 Box Set - Part 1 (2 CD) - AMCY-2931/2 - 3,570 Yen Box Set - Part 2 (2 CD) - AMCY-2933/4 - 3,570 Yen 1999/12/22 The Complete Studio Recordings (aka "The Cube") - HDCD - AMCY-6071/7 - 14,700 Yen http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~jt8j-mtok/010515f.htm#C09 - original mix - Remastered from the original 2 track masters to 96kHz 24 bit by Bruck Botnick and Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, California, U.S.A., August 1999. The Doors ("Break On Through has high/"The End" has F bombs) Strange Days Waiting For The Sun The Soft Parade Morrison Hotel L.A. Woman Essential Rarities - released as single mini-lps 2000/08/23 2000/06/21 Darken My Fire~A Gothic Tribute To The Doors - CRCL-8829 - 2,500 Yen 2000/08/23 Mini-LP - HDCD - 2,079 Yen - original mix - Remastered from the original 2 track masters to 96kHz 24 bit by Bruck Botnick and Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, California, U.S.A., August 1999. - CD made in EU for Japan The Doors – AMCY-6151 ("Break On Through has high/"The End" has F bombs) Strange Days – AMCY-6152 Waiting For The Sun - AMCY-6153 The Soft Parade – AMCY-6154 Morrison Hotel – AMCY-6155 L.A. Woman – AMCY-6156 2000/10/25 The Best Of The Doors 2000 - Limited Edition - 1 CD version + bonus CD - AMCY-6164/4 - 2,940 Yen bonus CD: Riders On The Storm (Bael & Comell Tunnell Club Mix) Riders On The Storm (N.O.W. Mix) Riders On The Storm (Ibizarre remix) Riders On The Storm (Spacebats remix) multi-media track: interview, gallery, e-card 2000/11/08 Greatest Hits - AMCY-6173 - 2,625 Yen. 2000/12/20 The Best Of The Doors 2000 (1 CD) - AMCY-6167 - 2,520 Yen The Best Of The Doors 2000 (2 CD) - AMCY-6165/6 - 3,990 Yen 2001/01/24 Stoned Immaculate~The Music Of The Doors (various artists) - AMCY-7228 - 2,520 Yen 2001/04/24 DVD-Audio - 3,675 Yen L.A. Woman - AMAY-10001 - original mix (48:36) + 5.1 surround mix - Mastered by Bruce Botnick at 96 kHz/24 bit resolution. - DVD-A - 5.1 produced & mixed by Bruce Botnick from the original 8-track analog masters. - Mixing studio, Bernie Grundman Mastering. - Audio authoring and mastering supervisor, Al McPherson. - Photo Gallery, Lyrics, Bio, Video "The Changeling" 2001/08/22 Bright Midnight: Live In America - AMCY-6299 - 2,520 Yen 2002/10/09 Live in Hollywood: Highlights from the Aquarius Theatre Performances (Limited Edition) - AMCY-10071 - 2,520 Yen 2003/06/11 Forever Music - HDCD - 1,890 Yen - original mix - Remastered from the original 2 track masters to 96kHz 24 bit by Bruck Botnick and Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, California, U.S.A., August 1999. The Doors - WPCR-11601 ("Break On Through has high/"The End" has F bombs) Strange Days - WPCR-11602 Waiting For The Sun - WPCR-11603 The Soft Parade - WPCR-11604 Morrison Hotel - WPCR-11605 L.A. Woman - WPCR-11606 2005/8/24 Forever Young - 1,800 Yen - original mix - Remastered from the original 2 track masters to 96kHz 24 bit by Bruck Botnick and Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, California, U.S.A., August 1999. The Doors – WPCR-75073 ("Break On Through has high/"The End" has F bombs) Strange Days - WPCR-75074 Waiting For The Sun – WPCR-75075 The Soft Parade – WPCR-75076 Morrison Hotel – WPCR-75077 L.A. Woman – WPCR-75078 2006/03/08 The Best Of The Doors 2000 (1 CD) - WPCR-13005 - 1,500 Yen 2006/11/21 Perception: 40th Anniversary Box - CD + DVD-Audio - 27,562 Yen - import only - Mastered by Bruce Botnick - CD: original mix - 1999 Botnick/Grundman HDCD remasters (bonus tracks mastered for the first time) - DVD: 2 channel 40th Anniversary remix / 5.1 DTS encoded surround sound mix. - track listings and bonus tracks: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~jt8j-mtok/010515f.htm#C18 The Doors (CD: original mix with "Break On Through" high/"The End" F-bombs -- DVD remix: speed corrected "Light My Fire") Strange Days Waiting For The Sun The Soft Parade Morrison Hotel L.A. Woman - reissued in 2007 without the peephole on the box. - The remixes from the DVD were released individually on Mini-LPs in 2007 2007/03 The Mosquito~The Doors Cover Deluxe - SJET-9523F - 2,200 Yen - Fujikawa World Group http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~jt8j-mtok/gokumon/9.htm 2007/07/25 2006 40th Anniversary remixes/mastered by Bruce Botnick The Very Best Of The Doors (1 CD) - WPCR-12676 - 1,980 Yen 2007/07/25 2006 40th Anniversary remixes/mastered by Bruce Botnick The Very Best Of The Doors - Limited Edition (2 CD + DVD) - WPZR-30220/22 - 5,250 Yen 2007/08/29 Mini-LP (with bonus tracks) - 2,300 Yen - 2006 40th Anniversary remix/mastered by Bruce Botnick - CDs made in EU The Doors – WPCR-12716 Strange Days – WPCR-12717 Waiting For The Sun – WPCR-12718 The Soft Parade – WPCR-12719 Morrison Hotel – WPCR-12720 L.A. Woman – WPCR-12721 2007/12/10 SHM-CD (with bonus tracks) - 2,300 Yen 2006 40th Anniversary remi/mastered by Bruce Botnick The Doors – WPCR-13280 (speed corrected "Light My Fire") Love/Death /Travel - 3 CD + 1 DVD - 0413RK7612 - 12,000 Yen - Import. Rhino Handmade 2007/12/19 Live In Boston - April 10, 1970 (3 CD) - WPCR-12803/5 - 4,725 Yen 2008/08/26 SHM-CD - HDCD - 2,300 Yen - original mix - Remastered from the original 2 track masters to 96kHz 24 bit by Bruck Botnick and Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, California, U.S.A., August 1999. Strange Days – WPCR-13602 Waiting For The Sun – WPCR-13603 2010/10/13 When Your Strange: Songs From The Motion Picture - WPCR-13951 - 2,580 Yen 2011/09/28 SACD (Japan only) - 3,200 Yen The Doors - WPCR-14174 - 2006 40th Anniversary remix with bonus tracks. 2011/12/07 2006 40th Anniversary remixes/mastered by Bruce Botnick The Very Best Of The Doors (1 CD) - WPCR-14344 - 1,500 Yen 2012/03/03 L.A. Woman - 4oth Anniversary Edition - WPCR-14297/8 - 3,480 Yen - Original mix - mastered by Bruck Botnick - CDs made in EU - disc 1 - original album - HCDC - disc 2 - mixed by Bruck Botnick - not HDCD Disc 2: (Previously Unreleased) 1. The Changeling (Alternate Version) 2. Love Her Madly (Alternate Version) 3. Cars Hiss By My Window (Alternate Version) 4. L.A. Woman (Alternate Version) 5. The WASP (Texas Radio and the Big Beat) (Alternate Version) 6. Been Down So Long (Alternate Version) 7. Riders On The Storm (Alternate Version) 8. She Smells So Nice 9. Rock Me 2012/12/05 2006 40th Anniversary remixes/mastered by Bruce Botnick The Very Best Of The Doors (1 CD) - WPCR-14741 - 1,200 Yen 2013/06/26 The Doors Singles Box (Japanese singles) - WPCR-14801/14 - 10,000 Yen http://wmg.jp/artist/doors/WPCR000014801.html 2013/07/24 Forever Young The Red Sale - HDCD - 1,380 Yen - original mix - Remastered from the original 2 track masters to 96kHz 24 bit by Bruck Botnick and Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, California, U.S.A., August 1999. The Doors – WPCR-78071 Strange Days – WPCR-78072 Waiting For The Sun – WPCR-78073 Morrison Hotel – WPCR-78074 L.A. Woman – WPCR-78075 2013/12/04 2006 40th Anniversary remixes/mastered by Bruce Botnick The Very Best Of The Doors (1 CD) - WPCR-15320 - 1,200 Yen 2014/02/26 Blu-ray (region A) - 3,990 Yen http://www.billboard-japan.com/goods/detail/436083 R-Evolution (documentary) - VPXR-79002
Thanks. I was just curious why the time for the original mix CDs vary so much since many are from the master tapes -- tape stretch, I guess . It isn't really important for listing the masterings. I think I just need info for the 2012 masterings. I thought there were Japan 2012 masterings until I realized I was confusing them with the 2013 Forever Young red obi discs from the 140 title series. http://www.clinck.co.jp/merurido/dtl.php?ky=WPCR78071 I just had a thought. Do the CDs with the grey inlay card have red or brown, etc. paint on the disc face? and do the original CDs have a silver face?