Black Sabbath 'Paranoid' - CD sound comparisons

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by progmog, Jul 15, 2006.

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  1. kevin5brown

    kevin5brown Analog or bust.

    Just curious, there's also an Intercord for Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. (Just those 2?) How does that one sound?
     
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  2. sathvyre

    sathvyre formerly known as ABBAmaniac

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    Well, the different sound of the reverb could be the result of the noise reduction.
    As all original non-remastered versions are drowned in hiss, I think the version on the 1996 CD is acceptable.
    I always prefer to listen to Black Sabbath on old Vertugo vinyl pressings, but I was looking for some CD sources with a good sound for my car stereo...
     
  3. Tim1954

    Tim1954 Forum Resident

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    The reverb difference is most definitely a result of the digital noise reduction.

    I don't find the "non-remastered" versions to be all that hissy, let alone "drowned in hiss." I think for whatever reason you are trying to convince yourself that '96 disc is acceptable. I don't happen to agree.

    I do agree about those old Vertigo LP pressings.

    Btw, if you don't want to seek out the 33PD, I'd say that even the old Warner CD is better than the Castle remaster. It has the much discussed volume increases during "War Pigs" but after that the only real problem is that it's a bit bright. Easier to dial your treble back a touch than to try and recreate reverb and air removed by heavy no-noising.
     
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  4. sathvyre

    sathvyre formerly known as ABBAmaniac

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    I will check the 33PD and the Warner CDs.
     
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  5. rnranimal

    rnranimal Senior Member

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    I've heard that one and it was nothing special. It's beat out by other masterings. Those are the only 2 I know about.
     
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  6. xaml

    xaml Well-Known Member

    After having read through most of this thread, I wonder, is there an overview of the first eight Black Sabbath albums in terms of releases, availability (with standardised identification marks such as international article numbers instead of abbreviations such as "33PD", "Castle", "Japan" or "Rhino") and sound quality done by an expert experienced enough to overcome various expected subjective preferences, focusing on what is best for music? This seems overdue, considering the value of the music, contrasted by the amount of releases – unavailability, changes as well as a consistent disappointment therein – and resulting customer confusion...
     
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  7. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

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    It's been done more than once. But some have an agenda. Like they own an early pressing from holland or France that was out in 1986 for about five minutes and has a rare label, and so they want to sell it later. They will state that this rare CD is the only one that got it right. Yep, a CD that nobody in the US has ever heard is said to be the best. I say pure BS.

    One persons clarity is another persons brightness.

    I personally like every early Castle from I think 1985 that I have heard. I have not heard all of them. The series with a live bonus track tacked on is the ones that I heard and liked. Wonderful bass and the clear sound of original masters used, I'm pretty sure.
     
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  8. Tim1954

    Tim1954 Forum Resident

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    I think this is the first time that I've seen such a "rant" when the person actually has the versions that are some of the most recommended! :laugh:
     
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  9. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

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    But my Paranoid CD happens to be the 1996 remastered Castle. Turns out that earlier one is said to have some problems anyway.

    My gripe with the Sabbath threads is I think the writing is poor. That Jeff Carney who is long gone now wrote in such a way that I think it's long winded.

    The CLACD or whatever those early ones are called Is rarely used. It bugs me when the threads are a long long road that could be short and sweet. I'd like to be a gort so I could prune back these ones and make them read fast and clean. Lol!
     
  10. motionoftheocean

    motionoftheocean Senior Member

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    what the hell did you just try to say
     
  11. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

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    That I'd like to be a gort and prune your posts right outta here.

    You need to state CLACD when you talk early cd.
     
  12. motionoftheocean

    motionoftheocean Senior Member

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    I've had zero problem understanding anything written in the Sabbath threads on this forum by people like Roland. Zero. They offer some of the most clear-cut statements evaluating the merits of different CD pressings you will find on this forum. Is English not your first language?
     
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  14. Tim1954

    Tim1954 Forum Resident

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    I guess some people expect others to do all the work, then delete all that research and just lay out a perfect plan for them to follow with exact links and low prices for all their collection building needs. Oh, and it must be in print, easy to find editions which their overtaxed brains can handle or they get their panties in a twist.

    Unreal.

    What is weird is that forum member Roland's Sabbath CD threads are even updated periodically, with a recap of all the recommended versions for easy to follow guidance.
     
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  15. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

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    You are not speaking of this thread being a "Roland" thread are you? Because it certainly is not.

    And there are many many Sabbath CD / Vinyl threads to choose from. It's a well worn path now at this late stage of the game anyway. Not much to add now. The end of the line is about here can't you tell.
     
  16. kevin5brown

    kevin5brown Analog or bust.

    ^^^ Boy, you're in a mood right now.

    I have found Jeff's descriptions about why he likes or doesn't like a certain CD to be very clear, and straight forward. I have no idea what you're talking about when you say he was long winded. He actually is/was one of the few SHF-ers that I could personally count on for a useful opinion on different CDs.

    The '96 Castle for Paranoid? You've got to be joking. It's compressed, and it has smiley faced EQ. You really need to check out the 33PD for this one. Oh wait, it's from Japan, and it's hard to find. Sorry ...
     
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  17. Tim1954

    Tim1954 Forum Resident

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    I was just mentioning Roland's thread as it sounded like you were talking about all Sabbath CD threads.

    Anyway, can't say I've noticed the problems you cite. Sounds like you have a set of '86 Castles. I think most of those are great discs and learned about them here, which is what it's all about.
     
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  18. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    Has anyone compared the Japan 33PD to the Japan for UK Castle NELCD pressing yet? I'm very curious, but not $70 or so curious.
     
  19. Tim1954

    Tim1954 Forum Resident

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    Funny to read through some of the old posts in this thread. We're talking about eight years!

    Like certain info and assumptions that are now completely different. IE: Some people here used to assume that the old Warner Brothers CD were "flat transfers" whereas now I think most agree that they were definitely tweaked with EQ. Just stuff like that. I don't know, call me crazy, but I'm glad I can read through old posts if I so choose and I don't find it all that confusing. Just need to pay attention a little. :)
     
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  20. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

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    I never said that the 96 Castle was the best one. I just said I own it (for worse or better) and read about the earlier one being flawed and so at least the one early one not known as the best I avoided. See quote below. I think you could have edited your own quote before posting, or spouting off like that LOL!!!!
    I found Jeff's descriptions (before he was blown outta here and banned) to be sometimes contradictory, and often not such strong writing or you did.

    Anyway, there is a lot of confusion in this thread, and I just said it could use a good edit. I'd go and dump your misquote from me for starters.
     
  21. kevin5brown

    kevin5brown Analog or bust.

    Yes, there are some issues with the '86, I still like it more than the '96. Have you listened to both? Or do you just wait for other people to tell you what to buy and listen to, and then complain when something that someone recommends is expensive or hard to find? ;) ... The '86 Castle was number one for me until I found the 33PD ...

    And I like the 2009 more than the '96 Castle too. And the SHM SACD. And ...


    I guess me and a lot of others will disagree with you as far as what Jeff posted. I never found that he contradicted himself. He sometimes would update his opinion on a disc if he found something different that he liked more. But most people are like that. You know, people who actually buy different CDs to compare and listen to them, and just don't take other people's word for what something sounds like ...
     
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  22. curbach

    curbach Some guy on the internet

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    I was under the impression Jeff left of his own volition because he was frustrated by the increasing number of new members who would champion masterings like the Black Box. Do you know for a fact he was banned? I certainly miss having him around, and it's kind of amusing that he can still irritate someone years after the fact :laugh:
     
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  23. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

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    I think he in fact listened to the discs and made informed choices. I'll agree with that,

    Yes banned done gone bye-bye. I will also leave it at that.
     
  24. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

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    For Paranoid and the other classic period albums there are now 24/96 drops circulating from UK Vertigo swirl vinyl LPs. They sound rather stunning and powerful.

    Personally I like listening to my fan made mastered DVD-A burn direct from the Quad reel to reel.
     
  25. Todd W.

    Todd W. It's a Puggle

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    Just visiting this thread after awhile. I couldn't agree, in my case, with that statement 100%.
     
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