Re-sequence the album!

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  1. duggan

    duggan Senior Member

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    Great choice of album.

    I think that now makes a far better Duke than the one released.
     
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  2. duggan

    duggan Senior Member

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    I agree that SL shouts out for a re sequencing but I think the fundamental problem is New Pony and No Time To Think should not be adjacent to each other. As, arguably, the two weakest tracks I separate them.

    Your track list with the penultimate track on each side switched works well for me.
     
  3. Picca

    Picca Forum Resident

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    Modena, Italy
    In Through The Out Door - Led Zeppelin
    a:
    In The Evening
    Wearing And Tearing
    Fool In the Rain
    All My Love
    b:
    Carouselambra
    Darlene
    I'm Gonna Crawl
     
  4. ryno

    ryno Forum Resident

    My 12 track Tusk - Fleetwood Mac

    Side 1

    Never Forget
    The Ledge
    Sisters Of The Moon (Single Verson)
    Walk A Thin Line
    Sara
    Never Make Me Cry

    Side 2

    I Know I'm Not Wrong
    Beautiful Child
    Brown Eyes
    That's All For Everyone
    Tusk
    Over & Over
     
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  5. majorlance

    majorlance Forum Resident

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    Well, it sounds like you're on to my thinking here: I've front-loaded the album with its 6 good-to-great tracks, with the 3 weakest tracks bringing up the rear.

    In SL's original sequence, it was (and is) such a letdown to hear dreck like New Pony and Baby, Stop Crying following the magnificent Changing of the Guards. (I give No Time To Think a little bit of a pass; it's a decent song that runs w-a-a-a-y too long.)
     
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  6. dirkster

    dirkster Senior Member

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    I totally agree with this! Maybe the original tracklisting made sense for vinyl purposes, but it definitely kills the flow of the album if listening to it on a CD. I basically made the same decision as you when I ripped the CD to my hard drive and stored the files. I reordered them as you did, but with the extended versions when possible.
     
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  7. Cornfed Hick

    Cornfed Hick Forum Resident

    Didn't seem to hurt Stairway to Heaven, Kashmir, or Rime of the Ancient Mariner. :p

    If that's true, by the way, then why is vinyl better than digital again? (Please don't answer that anyone, it's a rhetorical question, let's not derail this fun thread.)

    In any event, I don't know that Camera Eye is "bigger" than Vital Signs, other than in length.
     
  8. kohoutek

    kohoutek Forum Resident

    A couple from the Van Halen catalog:

    I always thought that Van Halen I should open with "On Fire" like the live show did when they toured the record--what a great track! Shame it's at the end, bring it on up!

    Also, I don't even play the opening track on VH II ("You're No Good")--no re-sequencing required, I just skip it.
     
  9. duggan

    duggan Senior Member

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    Good points.

    I was lucky enough to attend Blackbushe and see all tracks other than New Pony and No Time To Think performed that evening. Consequently I have a soft spot for Baby Stop Crying.

    Since the remix came out I've learned how to enjoy New Pony a little more. The trick is to wait until everyone else is out of the house, turn the volume up high and sit back and enjoy the grunge and grime.
     
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  10. dlokazip

    dlokazip Forum Transient

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    Austin, TX, USA
    Frank Zappa Meets The Mothers Of Prevention was released in two versions on LP: American and European. The sequences for both were fine.

    Most of the CD versions tried to combine the two versions, but with odd sequences. Here is how the final CD version should have been:

    We're Turning Again
    Alien Orifice
    Yo Cats
    What New In Baltimore?
    I Don't Even Care
    One Man, One Vote
    H.R. 2911
    Little Beige Sambo
    Porn Wars
    Aerobics In Bondage
     
  11. MHP

    MHP Lover of Rock ‘n Roll

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    For me, John Lennons Imagine are among the worst sequenced albums I've heard.
    It jumps up and down in moods and tempos, leaving no room for building up and slowing down. Here are my attempt:

    Side 1:

    Imagine
    Crippled Inside
    It's So Hard
    Jealous Guy
    How?
    Oh Yoko

    Side 2:

    How Do You Sleep?
    Gimme Some Truth
    Oh My Love
    I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier Mama I Don't Wanna Die
     
  12. Mechanical Man

    Mechanical Man I Am Just a Mops

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    Oakland, CA, USA
    Summer Days! (And Summer Nights!!) by the Beach Boys is a fine album that has some really wonky stuff going on with its running order. It's kind of an odd assortment of songs to begin with, and seeing as it ends with a trio of sort of odd tracks all in a row, let's see if anything can be done to make it a tighter listen.

    For starters, "Girl from New York City" is sort of a weird track to open with. It's high energy, but come on, "California Girls" is on this record, and I so want that intro to be the first thing the listener hears. The Beach Boys would often open their live set this way, so this is a no brainer. Likewise, "Amusement Parks U.S.A." is a fun track, but definitely a throwback to the days of "County Fair" and "Catch a Wave", so we'll switch that around with the Spector cover which is more in line with Brian's 1965 sound.

    I think "You're So Good to Me" is too good to be buried in the middle of side two, so let's move that up to the 3 spot and give Brian a lead vocal to follow Mike and Al. "Salt Lake City" with its great harmonies can stay where it is, but I'm going to do something weird now and bring "And Your Dreams Comes True" all the way up to 5. This works great because it keeps the group harmonies going strong, yet changes the pace and leads nicely into "Girl from New York City" which then closes side one with a bang.

    Side two now opens with Brian's best new ballad, "Let Him Run Wild", which should immediately hook the listener in upon flipping the disc over. "Girl Don't Tell Me" features Carl and keeps the laid-back sound going, before we return to the more uptempo Brian Wilson production style of yore with "Amusement Parks U.S.A.". From here its on to the instrumental theme "Summer Means New Love" (a romantic stroll down the boardwalk after all the roller coaster riding?) and the "I'm Bugged at My Old Man" skit both in their usual spots, before the album closes with the big encore number, the remake of "Help Me Rhonda".

    I really do think this flows pretty nicely, but you guys tell me.

    California Girls
    Then I Kissed Her
    You're So Good to Me
    Salt Lake City
    And Your Dream Comes True
    The Girl from New York City


    Let Him Run Wild
    Girl Don't Tell Me
    Amusement Parks U.S.A.
    Summer Means New Love
    I'm Bugged at My Old Man
    Help Me, Rhonda
     
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  13. sgtmono

    sgtmono Seasoned Member

    I always hated the sequencing of Bob Dylan's Bringing It All Back Home. I find it particularly annoying that 3 songs with nearly identical grooves (Subterranean Homesick Blues, Maggie's Farm and 115th Dream) are all on side one in close proximity.
    I get that the album sides are purposely split between electric and acoustic songs, but I disagree with this choice. My version of the album aims for better overall flow, spaces out the similar sounding rock songs, and still includes a mini acoustic set on side 2:

    Bringing It All Back Home

    Side 1


    Subterranean Homesick Blues
    She Belongs To Me
    On The Road Again
    Love Minus Zero / No Limit
    Maggie's Farm
    Mr. Tambourine Man

    Side 2

    Outlaw Blues
    Gates Of Eden
    It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)
    It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
    Bob Dylan's 115th Dream
     
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  14. sgtmono

    sgtmono Seasoned Member

    I was never crazy about the sequencing of Thriller, and I always cringed when "The Girl Is Mine" would nearly grind the album to a halt early on. And for the longest time I never gave the last three (decent) songs on the album a chance, since they seemed tossed on the end as an afterthought.

    Again, my version aims for better overall flow and spaces out the hits a little more.

    Side 1


    Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
    Baby Be Mine
    Billie Jean
    Human Nature

    Side 2


    P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)
    The Girl Is Mine
    Beat It
    Thriller
    The Lady In My Life
     
  15. MHP

    MHP Lover of Rock ‘n Roll

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    DK
    You can't polish turd's, but for me, Bowie's mid-80's albums would have benefitted from different running orders and tighter editing:

    'Tonight'

    Side 1:

    Loving The Alien
    Neighborhood Threat
    Don't Look Down
    Blue Jean

    Side 2:

    Dancing With The Big Boys
    God Only Knows
    Tumble And Twirl
    I Keep Forgetting
    Tonight

    'Never Let Me Down'

    Side 1:

    Glass Spider
    Time Will Crawl
    Never Let Me Down
    New York's In Love

    Side 2:

    Day In, Day Out
    Beat Of Your Drum
    '87 And Cry
    Zeroes

    (Ommiting 'Shining Star', 'Too Dizzy' and 'Bang Bang')
     
  16. Dr. Pepper

    Dr. Pepper What, me worry?

    Here is the Double album of Tug of War and Pipes of Peace that I put together, seems to flow pretty well:

    Paul McCartney - Peace & War

    Side One
    Tug of War
    Take it Away
    Say Say Say - Featuring Michael Jackson
    Somebody Who Cares
    The Other Me
    So Bad

    Side Two
    Here Today
    Get It - Featuring Carl Perkins
    Be What You See (Link)
    Dress Me Up As A Robber
    Keep Under Cover
    The Man - Featuring Michael Jackson

    Side Three
    Pipes Of Peace
    Ballroom Dancing
    Sweetest Little Show
    Average Person
    What's That Your Doing - Featuring Stevie Wonder
    Through Our Love

    Side Four
    The Pound is Sinking
    Wonderlust
    Twice In A Lifetime
    Simple as That
    Ebony And Ivory - Featuring Stevie Wonder
    Tug of Peace
     
  17. Combination

    Combination Forum Resident

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    New Orleans
    For me, Van Halen's Fair Warning is supposed to be like the way you see the titles on the rear of the album cover.

    When I play the CD, I re-program that sucker!
     
  18. Defrance

    Defrance A Northern Soul

    Location:
    Calgary, AB
    Toad The Wet Sprocket's 3rd album, Fear, is sequenced horribly. I was a huge fan of their first two albums, but could never get into Fear until I made a resequenced tape:

    Side A
    1. Is It For Me?
    2. Nightingale Song
    3. All I Want
    4. Before You Were Born
    5. Walk On The Ocean
    6. Something To Say
    7. In My Ear
    Side B
    1. Hold Her Down
    2. Stories I Tell
    3. Butterflies
    4. Pray Your Gods
    5. I Will Not Take These Things For Granted
     
  19. Mr-Beagle

    Mr-Beagle Ah, but the song carries on, so holy

    Location:
    Kent
    The cassette version of Stevie Wonder's Talking Book works better for me than the LP version. Maybe Your Baby is very jarring after You Are The Sunshine Of My Life.

    I'd put Tuesday Heartbreak as the second track and MYB at the end of side 1.
     
  20. belardd

    belardd Senior Member

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    Fort Worth TX

    I still would remove Sloop John B
     
  21. Guy E

    Guy E Senior Member

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    Antalya, Turkey
    I'll have to try this. I always thought the side split was overly strident myself.
     
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  22. I've always hated the sequencing on Genesis' Nursery Cryme. It would work much better with everything exactly backwards, opening with "Fountain of Salmacis" and closing with "The Musical Box".
     
  23. Folknik

    Folknik Forum Resident

    On Dusty In Memphis, IMO, "The Windmills of Your Mind" would have made a stronger closing song than "I Can't Make It Alone."
    On Van Morrison's Hymns to the Silence, "Be Thou My Vision" would have been a better closing song than "I Need Your Kind of Loving."
    On the Vanilla Fudge's Rock and Roll, "Lord In the Country" would have made a better closing song than "If You Got To Make A Fool of Somebody."
     
  24. richard a

    richard a Forum Resident

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    David Bowie's "Heroes". For years I always thought that the final song "The Secret Life Of Arabia" was rather misplaced, and that the album would have ended better with the dying wail of the saxophone at the cheerless conclusion of "Neukoln". But recently I can see why Bowie placed "Arabia" where he did as the album now leaves the listener in a more hopeful and reflective mood, rather than the depths of despair that "Neukoln" gives you!

    However, I think that the sequencing of Lets Dance is pretty hopeless.
    The three Big Singles are used up and tossed away right at the start of the album and the remaining songs can't help but seem like poor relations. Plus "Shake It" is one of the weakest songs yet it closes the album on a very anticlimactic note. Wouldn't the epic title track close the album better?
    So... how about this?

    Modern Love,
    China Girl,
    Without You,
    Ricochet.

    Cat People,
    Criminal World,
    Shake It,
    Let's Dance.
     
  25. Mr Sam

    Mr Sam "...don't look so good no more"

    Location:
    France
    The problem I think is "Any World". It's an older song that lacks the (sarcastic/etc...) tone of what precedes and follows.
    "Throw Back The Little Ones" sounds more like a coda than a proper closer, while it's actually a great song imo.
    So perhaps ending with World would work better.
     
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