New SHM-SACDs last-word on packaging, sonics PART TWO

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by LEONPROFF, Jun 3, 2014.

  1. I do indeed. But also enjoy the Steve Wilson remasters. It's the sound of the music when it hits my ears from the speakers, not a smiley EQ that has some folks turned off no matter how good the music may sound.
     
  2. I usually agree with you Keith, but in this case, I prefer the SACD of Aja above anything else.
     
  3. testikoff

    testikoff Seasoned n00b

    Bet you agree with Espen R all the time... ;)
     
  4. Espen R

    Espen R Senior Member

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    About Dynamic Range. I have a question to all of you:

    When you are listening to Dire Straits, Brothers in Arms, original CD 1985, "So far away" with a DR20. Is this the most dynamic piece of music you ever heard?
    If you say YES, what do you hear?
    If NO, why is it so when the number says it is?

    I will give my answer:
    NO.
    When I listen to my SHM-SACD of Countdown to Ecstasy and my to fave tracks "Your Gold teeth" and "Pearl of the queens", both with DR12, and compare it to Dire Straits CD; in my ears and how I experience true dynamics in music, I will say that Dire Straits sounds dynamically DEAD in comparison.
    And I know the answer why it is so.
     
  5. ti-triodes

    ti-triodes Senior Member

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    Why should this thread be different than any others? :laugh:
     
  6. testikoff

    testikoff Seasoned n00b

    Purely from TT DR value standpoint there are numerous tracks that have numbers higher than DR20 (see DRDB listing of releases featuring the highest max DR values). Whether they are necessarily "music" is debatable (some are percussion, spoken word, avantgarde, experimental, etc. pieces). I think, another Dire Straits recording (Private Investigations) may be a good example of the most dynamic mainstream rock piece that is also highly musical (LoG SHM-SACD states TT DR19 track value for this song). N.B. TT DR values are actually reflecting the dynamics only of the loudest 20% of the analyzed material, so the quieter pieces (like classical or acoustic) may be at a disadvantage. PI at the same peak level as SFA is ~3dB quieter (lower in RMS), so clearly PI has more dynamic range per se (but its loudest 20% is comparable to the same of SFA dynamics-wise, so are their TT DR numbers)...
     
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  7. TSmithPage

    TSmithPage Ex Post Facto Member

    Location:
    Lexington, KY
    OK, I'm up to the Asia SHM-SACDs, starting with Alpha. First impression, harsh, harsh , harsh! Especially the first track, which I thought sounded pretty horrendous for an SHM-SACD. It made me want to get out the Audio Fidelity version to compare until I realized they only did the first album. So, I did a track comparison of "Don't Cry" from Anthologia to the SHM-SACD. I had to turn the regular CD down and now my head hurts. OK, so it's apparent that the masters of this album are an oversaturated mess and probably should not have been selected for SACD release in the first place. I'd be interested to hear what Hoffman/Gray could do with this album, but until then, I'm going to assume it's not a salvageable recording. I don't have particularly high hopes for Astra, but then again I found that album weak compared to the first two albums anyway. I wonder if the LP of Alpha is any better?
     
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  8. Lucidae

    Lucidae AAD

    Location:
    Australia
    Yeah, I also found the new Asia discs to be pretty bad. It's obvious these tapes needed a bit of work, not just a flat transfer. I much prefer the original Geffen CD's.
     
  9. Tullman

    Tullman Senior Member

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    Boston MA
    I'm not dreaming of flat transfers, just a good transfer from original tapes and then good mastering job, like SH would do.
     
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  10. stingraex2000

    stingraex2000 Forum Resident

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    Las Vegas, NV, USA
    Whoever did apply the compression and smiley eq to the SHM-SACD of Countdown To Ecstasy sure did a great job. It must have really needed that. Great job man!
     
  11. eelkiller

    eelkiller One of the great unwashed

    Location:
    Northern Ontario
    Please AF, no more Asia (one is enough). Thanks in advance. :D
     
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  12. eelkiller

    eelkiller One of the great unwashed

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    Northern Ontario
    I thought the SACD's were single layer, no redbook?
     
  13. ponkine

    ponkine Senior Member

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    Villarrica, Chile
    There's a 2013 SHM version of Camel's 'Mirage'

    I think it has the same 4 bonus tracks than the previous one from 2009

    How does it sounds? is it the same as the previous version, or a new mastering?

    :wave:
     
  14. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

    Location:
    Toulouse, France
    Same mastering.

    I hope they will reissue this album, flat transfered from the original tapes like they did the two others.
     
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2014
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  15. Single layer. No redbook.
     
  16. TSmithPage

    TSmithPage Ex Post Facto Member

    Location:
    Lexington, KY
    OK, my wife is out of the house (and as such can't gripe at my playing of this one) so it's time for Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow (the band's first effort). Totally not my type of music and I've never heard the album before but initial impressions are that this one has a good sound quality to it. Not muddy, clean instrumentation, good soundstage. If you are a fan of Dio, you'll probably be happy with this one.
     
  17. eelkiller

    eelkiller One of the great unwashed

    Location:
    Northern Ontario
    Just curious why you bought it if you were not familiar with it. Is there a CD Japan platinum club now? ;) The Rainbow sounds excellent IMO.
     
  18. Second that emotion. Really good sounding disc, sounds like the master that was used is in great shape!
     
  19. Endymion

    Endymion Forum Resident

    Location:
    Germany
    You are right. Somebody else has pointed that out and I already corrected myself in another post. I was talking about the SHM-CD which uses the same mastering as the SACD.
     
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  20. As this is is an SACD thread and I think that is what he was referring to.
     
  21. TSmithPage

    TSmithPage Ex Post Facto Member

    Location:
    Lexington, KY
    My wife would no doubt as the same question. And, indeed did just ask that question about my owning a Destiny's Child SACD. :) A few years ago, I started collecting SACDs as an audiophile pursuit. I generally buy all of the non-classical SHM-SACD offerings whether I've heard the band/album or not (I'm OK w/classical but there's just way too much of it to try to buy it all). I only draw the line on things I know for certain I will abhore, such as Bon Jovi. It has introduced me to offerings by Caravan I might not have heard otherwise, and ideally I can always flip them later if I decide to clean house.
     
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  22. TSmithPage

    TSmithPage Ex Post Facto Member

    Location:
    Lexington, KY
    I'm now on to Cream's Goodbye. The live tracks are... eh. Badge was pretty good. The album overall is OK and there's nothing about the sound quality on this one that makes me want to run to the MFSL gold CD and compare them. I have it as a completist, but not sure I'd buy it as an SHM-SACD otherwise.
     
  23. eelkiller

    eelkiller One of the great unwashed

    Location:
    Northern Ontario
    That is true, considering these Japan discs are limited some may fetch decent prices on the used market. Glad you discovered Caravan, there stuff is really nice. I was late to the party as well. :)
     
  24. Lucidae

    Lucidae AAD

    Location:
    Australia
    "Mirage" would be near the top of my wishlist... and also "Waterloo Lily".
     
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  25. art

    art Senior Member

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    520
    The self-titled Free SHM-SACD is great.
     
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