How do you respond to detractors of hi-res audio?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Lucidae, Aug 27, 2014.

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  1. Driver 8

    Driver 8 Senior Member

    First I would have to know someone who is aware that hi-res audio exists …
     
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  2. progrocker71

    progrocker71 Forum Resident

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    Over the years I've become convinced that trying to change someones mind, especially in regards to art, is a complete and hopeless waste of time. Thus I just avoid it, they can think whatever they like, it has no impact on me whatsoever.
     
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  3. ress4279

    ress4279 Senior Member

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    First thing is gauge their level of interest. "Is hearing the difference important?"
     
  4. Terry

    Terry Senior Member

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    Milwaukee
    I've never run into a detractor. In fact, most seem interested in what I've purchased of late.
     
  5. JakeLA

    JakeLA Senior Member

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    I've never had a discussion about hi-res music with anyone and I can't imagine that I ever will.
     
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  6. SoporJoe

    SoporJoe Forum Resident

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    I don't.

    People can like what they want.
     
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  7. Linto

    Linto Mayor of Simpleton

    If people tell me they are happy with 128 MP3, I respond by saying some
    people are happy with McDonalds.
     
  8. sfaxa

    sfaxa Active Member

    Nobody I know even knows what it means....I think that says it all.
     
  9. botley

    botley Forum Resident

    One word: oversampling. If you're hearing filter artifacts on a well-mastered CD, you should upgrade your system before investing in high-res.

    I can't name a single consumer application where the difference between content at 16/44.1 (given that it's properly converted from the source) and high-res is night-and-day. Sure, it's there, but even with a great system it's tiny, and so I consider it low-priority on the list of things to worry about in improving sound.

    Sure, you could re-buy music you've already collected to have it in high-resolution, but for the same price you could get SO MUCH more benefit from upgrading your gear, and tuning the room you use it in.
     
  10. Mal

    Mal Phorum Physicist

    Most of my listening is 16/44.1 - sounds better than vinyl to me overall (slight loss in resolution is preferable to the myriad other problems with analogue, in my view). Hi-res PCM (24/96 and beyond) is audibly superior as an encoding scheme to my ears - however, I'd rather hear a well mastered 80's CD with no DSP than most of the modern remasters I've heard, hi-res or not.
     
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  11. botley

    botley Forum Resident

    Well said. By the way, I'm not a "detractor" and I've bought plenty of hi-res material. It sounds great, it's future-proof, and it adds real value as a bonus feature on my new purcases. But there's no way I will spend money upgrading CDs I'm already happy owning to high-res (until I hit the lottery, I guess).
     
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  12. Atmospheric

    Atmospheric Forum Resident

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    Vive Le Difference. Personally, I am glad that I upgraded Disraeli Gears, the Grateful Dead studio albums and Eagle studio albums. For me, there is a vast difference between the HDtracks versions and the previous CD rips I had. To my ears, these were not minor differences at the margins, but dramatic differences, on par with going from black and white to technicolor. Well worth rebuying for me.
     
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  13. vanye

    vanye Forum Resident

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    Indeed. I agree that it's our differences that make us valuable as members of a society. However, in the present context I would ask if the differences in the quality of the sound that you perceive stem from the different formats or if the masterings differ.
     
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  14. cdash99

    cdash99 Senior Member

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    The non fanatics will attribute good sound more to the playback equipment than the file, and there's some intellectual justification for this.

    On the other hand I'm equally clueless about nuances between average and great wine. To each their own.
     
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  15. tlake6659

    tlake6659 Senior Member

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    The Hi-res releases that you listed are different masterings. Try doing a shootout between the same masterings, one at redbook resolution and one at hi-res and see if you notice a difference.
     
  16. jimod99

    jimod99 Daddy or chips?

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    Why would you let it upset you, life's too short?

    Seems to me that many audiophiles suffer from "born again Christian" syndrome "I speak the truth and thou must believe me, and what I say is the only way"
     
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  17. sbeck201

    sbeck201 Forum Resident

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    "I'm sorry, you'll have to speak more clearly!".
     
  18. Coricama

    Coricama Classic Rocker

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    I am very new to Hi Res. I was skeptical until I tried it. I already had a DAC, all I needed was to hook up a computer to the DAC, so I thought why not? As with vinyl, some Hi Res is excellent, some is no better than CD. I agree the mastering makes a huge difference. I am enjoying it...and that's all that really matters. All you can do is state your opinion, it's not really your job to change other people's opinions.
     
  19. onlyconnect

    onlyconnect The prose and the passion

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    In my opinion, go-faster stripes make cars go faster :)

    Tim
     
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  20. MonkeyMan

    MonkeyMan A man who dreams he is a butterfly?

    I'm not sure that anything is future proof...

     
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  22. Atmospheric

    Atmospheric Forum Resident

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    Truthfully, I don't know. Allz I know is that I bought hi-res music files and they sound better (to my ears) than any other versions of the same material, of which I have owned several.

    That would be a complete waste of time. I'm happy to listening to my hi-res versions. If something better comes along I'll listen to that. Does this bother you?
     
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  23. The Spaceman

    The Spaceman Forum Resident

    You're completely ignoring their point. The Hi-res versions of those specific albums are different masterings than the CD versions. Therefore there would be an audible differences between the two even if one wasn't hi-res and the other not. Most likely the improvement you're hearing is just the mastering.
     
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  24. Atmospheric

    Atmospheric Forum Resident

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    No, respectfully, I don't believe that I am ignoring anything worthwhile. I am intentionally choosing to focus on what means the most to me: enjoying music I love as much as I can. I just don't give a rip about convincing you or other similarly minded people about anything. Here, I'll just say you won whatever argument we are supposed to be having. Now please just leave me alone to enjoy my hi-res music.
     
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  25. The Spaceman

    The Spaceman Forum Resident


    :sigh:
     
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