Classical Corner Classical Music Corner (thread #64)

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by George P, Dec 12, 2014.

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  1. alankin1

    alankin1 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Philly
    Now playing:
    Arnold Schoenberg – Five Pieces for Orchestra Op.16 (1949 rev.)
    Anton Webern – Five Pieces for Orchestra Op.10
    Alban Berg – Three Pieces for Orchestra Op.6, 'Lulu' Suite
    — Helga Pilarczyk, soprano

    London Symphony Orchestra — Antal Dorati (Mercury Living Presence)

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    The cover is from a Charles Demuth painting inspired by a William Carlos Williams poem.

    (I also learned a new word: "Peripeteia /ˌpɛrəpɨˈtaɪ.ə/ (Greek: περιπέτεια) is a reversal of circumstances, or turning point. The term is primarily used with reference to works of literature. The English form of peripeteia is peripety." It is the title of Schenberg's 4th piece.)
     
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  2. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

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    Nice.

    Every so often I use a painting of his as my avatar. :shtiphat:

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  3. Fafner88

    Fafner88 Forum Resident

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    Is it only my, or Mahler in his 5th symphony borrowed from Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake? Compare

    youtu.be/ZYUJy2EGgdY?t=24m31s (the violin theme)

    youtu.be/dAyEmyqq_hw?t=28m50s (the waltz theme)
     
  4. Bachtoven

    Bachtoven Forum Resident

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    With this combination of musicians, one could hardly go wrong! The sound is great, too.

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  5. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    This recording should be in the following big box. So far, I have listened to only two CD's from the box ...

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  6. Rose River Bear

    Rose River Bear Senior Member

    The note sequences are a little different but the octave jump and the eight note with the two quarter notes motif are very similar. I think they are both in waltz time but I may need help on that.
    I agree with you. Tchaikovsky may have been an influence in this case.
     
  7. Fafner88

    Fafner88 Forum Resident

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    Yep, they are both in 3/4.

    The immediately preceding woodwind figures (in the Tchaikovsky) also remind me of something else, but I can't remember what.
     
  8. Rose River Bear

    Rose River Bear Senior Member

    I thought so. I agree especially with that rising three note motif. I would say Mahler was certainly "inspired" by the Tchaikovsky piece to say the least. Good catch.

    My mistake on "note sequence".... I meant to say the intervals are slightly different.
     
  9. 5-String

    5-String μηδὲν ἄγαν

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    I don't understand why this Brahms 4th (1963 or 1964 I believe) is liked so much. Maybe I need to listen to it a few more times but it seems to me that Karajan misses the point here. There is no sense of tragedy or tension, especially in the first movement, and the whole thing seems very bland and tedious.

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  10. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    So you prefer the Brahms he recorded in the 70's?
     
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  11. 5-String

    5-String μηδὲν ἄγαν

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    I like the earlier EMI recording with the Philharmonia from the 50s.
     
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  12. john greenwood

    john greenwood Senior Member

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    Not all that much of interest unfortunately. Furtwangler, Netrebko and Gergiev took a beating. (Made me feel a little better about not seeing him conduct next month.)
     
  13. 5-String

    5-String μηδὲν ἄγαν

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    Sorry to hear that.
    Was there anything interesting about their criticism of Furtwangler, other than what's known? I presume the negativity had to do with his relationship with the Nazis during the war, right?
     
  14. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    Not to make this political, but I presume their criticism of Gergiev has something to do with his support of Putin in the Russia/Ukraine conflict.
     
  15. john greenwood

    john greenwood Senior Member

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    Yes and yes. There was some interesting discussion about the need to avoid overuse of references to the Holocaust. On all sides. (This took place at a YM-YWHA.)

    Barenboim came in for some praise for his efforts to bridge the Israel/Palestine gap.

    And I will now shut up before this really does get political.
     
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  16. Fafner88

    Fafner88 Forum Resident

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  17. alankin1

    alankin1 Forum Resident

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    Ottorino Respighi – The Birds, Brazilian Impressions, The Fountains of Rome, The Pines of Rome
    — London Symphony Orchestra / Minneapolis Symphony Orchestra — Antal Dorati (Mercury Living Presence)

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  18. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    Now: Beethoven: Symphony 3, Op.55; Schubert: Symphony 8, D759 - Pierre Monteux/Concertgebouw Orchestra Amsterdam - 5 CDs, Philips; disc 1

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  19. john greenwood

    john greenwood Senior Member

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    Considering that Monteux conducted the world premiere of Petrushka in 1911, how does Philips define "The Early Years"?
     
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  20. Robin L

    Robin L Musical Omnivore

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    Ha! In fact these are the later years and mostly in pretty good sound on the LPs I've played. The maestro's middle years are represented by RCA Victor from 78 rpm sources, had a well-represented stint in San Francisco. Weren't too many 'live' recording made during Monteux's early years. Would love to have an aircheck of that first 'Le Sacre'.
     
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  21. Fafner88

    Fafner88 Forum Resident

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    Another French Eroica, and in great sound
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  22. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    I was also scratching my head about that... It was the name of a Philips reissue series, but in Monteux's case it certainly was a misnomer.
     
  23. alankin1

    alankin1 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Philly
    Now playing:
    Walter Piston – The Incredible Flutist: Suite — New York Philharmonic
    Edward Burlinghame Hill – Prelude for Orchestra — Columbia Symphony Orchestra
    William Schuman – In Praise of Shahn: Canticle for Orchestra — New York Philharmonic

    from:

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    American MastersLeonard Bernstein (Sony Classical)
     
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  24. john greenwood

    john greenwood Senior Member

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    NYC
    Exploring Britten conducting Britten on Spotify. Piano concerto and violin concerto.
     
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  25. Fafner88

    Fafner88 Forum Resident

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    The violin cto. is a real masterpiece, isn't it? It should be much better known.
     
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