"Pretenders" target CD question

Thanks Marc. I assume you've owned/heard both the W. German & Japan target discs?

 

I compared the Japan and WG target, sonically they were the same. This may be argued, since they were manufactured in two different countries. The later black on silver Sire pressings on the other hand, were much different. I guess it's possible that very early Japan non-targets *may* have the target mastering.

 

Thanks again. Did the Japan & W. German target discs have the same total timing, do you know? If so, I would say that they are probably the same mastering for sure, as the "secretly remastered" Sire disc that you speak of (I've owned that one too) clocks in at about 10 seconds less than the target mastering, if I remember correctly.

 

You're correct on that. From what I can remember the Japan and WG Targets were within 1 second of one another. They sounded identical. The later one, was as you said, 10 sec. or so shorter. I don't have the Japan one in collection anymore, But I'd be glad to put up an EAC log of my WG one, if you need to compare.

 

Actually, that would be great if you could, & I would really appreciate it.

Oyama was nice enough to do an EAC of the Japan target in post #9, so if you could do one for the W. German target, we could compare the findings & put this one to bed for good!

It also might be helpful to other forum members who are looking to pick up the target of this disc, to see if they are indeed identical.

 

Uh...mine was the W.G. target.

 

Awwww, CRAP!!!

 

I ran EAC on my Japan Target and the Peaks MATCH 100% to your WG Target.

 

Can you post total time?

 

I've been mildly curious about the "total time" metric in regard to identifying the "same" mastering. I have done several comparisons using EAC peak levels and my own ears, and would conclude that the masterings are "the same". But in most of these instances, the total times reported by EAC differ by up to a second, or two (although sometimes they are exactly the same, within a hundredth of a second). What's up with that?

 

According to EAC, the entire flac file is 47:13

 

Very cool. So it appears that they are the same. Thanks!

 

I have copy also, catalog number is 6083-2. No RE in the matrix code, though. Not good sounding at all. Kinda flat. Maybe there were US copies with the target mastering and then the catalog number changed and they did a secret remaster. Seems like anything is possible.

 

Well, The secret remaster that was done is a bit louder. The Target mastering is a pretty low level. Sounds incredible, though. The 6083-2 regular Sire pressing I have(no RE in the matrix) is the newer, remastered one.

 

Whew!

I always hated the sound of my "black on silver Sire" disc. For a minute, I thought you guys were saying it was "good". I feel better now

 

Picked up a West German Target for this today in one of the shops in Edinburgh; £4. Mint. Result! Sounds extremely good.

 

I am trying to simplify the target search and I was wondering if the back inserts of the target CD's inidcate their country of origin (Japan or WG)? I believe that sometimes a CD will say Printed in the USA but the disc will be from elsewhere.

 

Check out the pictures at targetcd.com.

 

That was a bullseye. Thanks!

 

good score

 

My made in Germany copy 7599-27430-2 gives exactly the same readings. This is the version that's still in print in EU so there's really no need to spend time (and money!) for the target.

 

Just stumbled across this target pressing & very impressed with the sound...

 

I have a non RE 6083-2 Sire and it is the same EAC as the targets. Matrix 1 6083-2 SRC-08, there is another code that follows but was printed so low on the aluminum that only the top 10% can be read. Maybe....M1518.

 

That would be 'M1 S18', which means 'Mother 1 Stamper 18'. That code would seem to be in line with an 'SRC 08' matrix.

 

Thank you Scott! I will write that down next to my EAC values. I like your "location". I am between Tito's and Tommy's!