Miles Davis SACD remasters by Mobile Fidelity *

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  1. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    Have you heard the Columbia/Legacy USA SACD catalog #CS 64935? IIRC it's recommended by our host and it does sound really good.
     
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  2. Master_It_Right

    Master_It_Right Forum Resident

    I'll check that one out. Thanks. Is it a hybrid?
     
  3. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    No, just SACD. It does say it's SACD Surround Sound but I don't know if it is for certain.
     
  4. bubba-ho-tep

    bubba-ho-tep Resident Ne'er-Do-Well

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    It is.
     
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  5. Jim T

    Jim T Forum Resident

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    Can't track down that CAT number.
     
  6. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    Bad news - It does not come with a booklet!
    Good news - It sounds amazing! Nice warm sound! :goodie:
     
  7. cds23

    cds23 Accidentally slowing the forum down with huge pics

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    Can't have a booklet on all of them, I guess. Are there any liner notes on the inner side of the sleeve? Anyway, good to hear the sound lives up to your expectations!
     
  8. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    The sound is great! The drums sound like bombs going off! The sound is warm without being dull, "alive" sounding without any harshness. I'm so happy!

    No liners in either sleeve. Not sure what's on the inside, as I never do more than cut a slit for the newer MFSLs.
     
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  9. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    Is there an easy way to ID which mix they used?
     
  10. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    I've just been told they now charge $13 for 1 (SA)CD to Europe. Too rich for me.
     
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  11. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    FWIW, they put my SACD in an inch thick, medium size box. So my SACD was flawless when it arrived.
     
  12. rxcory

    rxcory proud jazz band/marching band parent

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    Just got mine in the mail this evening. Headed to work now, will report back on the SQ later.
    Mastered by Shawn R. Britton
    Does not contain booklet

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    Analyzed folder: /Volumes/4 TB Seagate/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music/Miles Davis/Sorcerer [MFSL]
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    DR Peak RMS Filename
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    DR12 -0.97 dB -15.31 dB 01 Prince of Darkness.m4a
    DR11 -5.81 dB -20.98 dB 02 Pee Wee.m4a
    DR12 -1.00 dB -16.82 dB 03 Masqualero.m4a
    DR11 -1.69 dB -16.08 dB 04 The Sorcerer.m4a
    DR13 -0.81 dB -17.16 dB 05 Limbo.m4a
    DR12 -2.85 dB -19.54 dB 06 Voneta.m4a
    DR11 -2.64 dB -17.29 dB 07 Nothing Like You.m4a
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    Number of files: 7
    Official DR value: DR12

    ==============================================================================================
     
  13. SteelyTom

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    Hmm-- some pretty lackluster DR values.

    Further reviews and any CD/SACD comparisons are greatly appreciated….
     
  14. rxcory

    rxcory proud jazz band/marching band parent

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    I posted this on the Jazz Beat thread:
    http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/jazz-beat-part-42.432221/page-22#post-12295018
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    Listening to the newly-released MFSL SACD. This is the original stereo mix and it puts the Wilder remix to shame. There's a completely different L - R balance, and less overall echo on the original mix, although the instruments seem to have more saturation. Ron Carter's string bass has some real oomph and I love how his percussive sounds add to the music. Herbie's notes just roll right on up and down the line, and Tony Williams' drum hits cut through to your soul. And I don't even need to tell you about Miles and Wayne, but I love how they're in opposite channels on the original stereo mix instead of more centered on the remix; since they play a lot of the same notes it's much more interesting to hear them coming at you from different directions. This sh!t's just musical. That's the all-analogue, all-tube original mix. I also have the MFSL double-45 R.P.M. set for when I'm at my turntable. You can't go wrong either way!

    Edit: On the DR values, this is the original '67 mix, and MFSL's mastering of it it has better RMS values than the remix. I'm confident that MFSL did not add any compression and that this is just the way Teo produced it. The original stereo mix (and I have the mono mix and I can say this applies to it as well) is thunderous compared to the Wilder remix. Give it a listen and you'll be convinced this baby has never sounded better.
     
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  15. SteelyTom

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  16. Gabe Walters

    Gabe Walters Forum Resident

    Wilder remixed everything on the Complete 65-68 set, including this one.
     
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  17. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    You beat me to it :)
     
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  18. rxcory

    rxcory proud jazz band/marching band parent

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    Mark Wilder did the remix in 1996 from the 4-tracks and it was mastered by Mark Wilder and Rob Schwarz. This remix and mastering was used on the following that I know of:
    SRCS 9115 (http://www.discogs.com/Miles-Davis-Sorcerer/release/6150437),
    CK 65680 (http://www.discogs.com/Miles-Davis-Sorcerer/release/219045), and
    Miles Davis Quintet 1965-1968: The Complete Columbia Studio Recordings boxset (http://www.discogs.com/Miles-Davis-Miles-Davis-Quintet-1965-68/release/1410360)

    The MFSL SACD and double-45 LPs use Teo's original mix.
     
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  19. SteelyTom

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    Probably the single-layer JSACD of the album uses the '96 Wilder remix as well, then.
     
  20. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    Thunderous indeed! I have never been this impressed with a drum performance/sound before!
     
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  21. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    And yes, I hear no evidence of added compression, nor do I see any, after looking at all of the waveforms.
     
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  22. SteelyTom

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    I wonder if Macero added compression, given the DR numbers cited above, which Wilder reduced in his remix.
     
  23. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    I can tell you this, I ripped the MFSL disc and amplified each track to 0dB and only one peak hit 0dB for each track.
     
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  24. rxcory

    rxcory proud jazz band/marching band parent

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    I don't know if this makes any sense, but it almost sounds to me as if Teo added a touch of reverb to each instrument on the stereo and mono mixes, giving them more presence or as I commented above, more 'saturation.' Could be a smidge of analogue compression added, but I hate to speculate. On the remix the individual instruments sound drier, but then it's like digital echo was added to the whole thing to make it sound fuller. Man, I am never going back to that remix again.
     
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  25. agentalbert

    agentalbert Senior Member

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    :confused:

    I see no cause for concern in those numbers.
     
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