Concert Snobs, Can't stand em!

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Om, May 20, 2015.

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  1. Om

    Om Make Your Own Kind Of Music Thread Starter

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    Right, it's more the excessive snobiness I get frustrated with. Like sitting still when everyone in the cheaper seats are going wild. When I'm outnumbered I won't even try to violate the group order.
     
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  2. Scott Wheeler

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    It went on for about 15 minutes. I don't remember the specific songs but it was about 4 or 5 of them.
     
  3. Guy E

    Guy E Senior Member

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    In the end, people who disrupt a show with interests OUTSIDE of the music should be tossed out the door. Exchanging recipes and laundry tips at shouting volume during a performance is UNCOOL, as is cell-phone interaction of any kind. Breaking up with your boyfriend/girlfriend may be unavoidable in the moment, but take it outside please. If you're going to bop around, don't be so drunk as to slam into me more than a couple of times (and nod apologetically if you do, please).

    If there's some slam dancing going on... keep it within those invisible boundaries. If you're going to let out a Rebel Yell, well okay, but there's no need to let out the 12th or 15th Rebel Yell during the course of an acoustic song. You missed your cue, right? Lay back and enjoy what the performers on stage are doing... that's what we all paid for.

    Unfortunately, this all seems to be rocket science to some folks.
     
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  4. SG1

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    Well, I think what I am trying to say is that regular, modest wealth people are often paying attention to the Rock Concert all too well and the richies in front want to pretend they are at an opera, and disdain and let it be known that they don't appreciate too much, uh, exuberance.

    This scenario is not one whereby one person is beyond the pale, but an elite group trying to dictate a decorum over the more festive- of significant number.
     
  5. O Don Piano

    O Don Piano Senior Member

    "Unmotivated"? I was very motivated to make my initial remark!
    I think you mean "unprovoked".
     
  6. Om

    Om Make Your Own Kind Of Music Thread Starter

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  8. Scott Wheeler

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    That smacks of pure prejudice against wealth.
     
  9. SG1

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    Nope. As I made a point to differentiate: only when they act entitled- all too much verified.
     
  10. Scott Wheeler

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    They are entitled. They are entitled to sit in the seat they paid for and act as enthusiastic as they wish to or wish not to. The same goes for the common blue collar folks. There's no special rules for behavior based on wealth.
     
  11. SG1

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    True.

    But my point was not how enthusiastic they got. My point is they so frown on others being as enthusiastic as rock has always been.

    It just sucks because part of the spirit of Rock N Roll, from say 1955-1975, was a protest against privilege. I realize all the best rockers made their dough, but it was mostly a feel of camaraderie among the fans, and unison of spirit. The disparity of wealth has broken that unison.
     
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  12. Zep Fan

    Zep Fan Sounds Better with Headphones on

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    I've sat behind fans that moved their legs up and own too much. It was distracting.

    But then.... I remember doing the same thing at a Zeppelin concert during "Heartbreaker".

    But those other guys I mentioned, they did it through the entire concert!!!
     
  13. Tim Wilson

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    You mean no issues today with racism, riots, economic opportunity, peacekeepers shooting unarmed protesters? No wishes for a brighter future that entails rolling back to the dream of a happier past, at least on a spiritual level?

    I don't think that's the case at all. I think topical songs are more topical than ever. When "It's All Right Ma" was still in the setlist even a couple of years ago, the biggest ovation of the night by far was Bob singing "Sometimes the president of the United States must have to stand naked" -- and the ovation was no more or less loud for the current guy than when Bob sang it during the previous guy's administration. Bob's intent was always aimed at the office of the president, rather than a specific office-holder, which is why it still resonates. Bi-partisan pissed-off-ness has never been more relevant.

    To keep riffing on CSN: concern over militarism disproportionately shaping the nation's cultural life, distrust of government's surveillance power, immigration reform, pollution, etc. These are obviously highly charged issues, and many CSN fans don't agree with CSN's positions, and wish they'd shut their yaps.

    No offense to you intended, friend, and I absolutely do not intend to be speaking in a partisan fashion myself. I'm just saying that, regardless of one's position on the topics, every one of those topics is still under heated debate. Not at all relics. Quite the contrary. Other than maybe something narrowly draft-specific, I can't think of any major topical songs from the late 60s forward, and certainly none from the extended CSNY family, that don't work at least as well today. Maybe even better -- what with the new boss being the same as the old boss and all. :laugh:
     
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  14. Scott Wheeler

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    Not that I am an objective and universal reference but.....I can't say that I have ever seen anyone frowning on others just for their enthusiasm. I've seen it aimed at audience members who are not respecting other peoples' ability to enjoy the concert. And that aint nothin new and it has nothing to do with privilege.
     
  15. SG1

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    Bravo. They're only "relics" because people have no clue they have been had, and everything certain people have been warning about has happened- and then some.
     
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  16. SG1

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    "I can't say that I have ever seen..."

    Guess you missed it. It is well known; enough so that this thread was started.
     
  17. Scott Wheeler

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    Let's not confuse perception with objective fact.
     
  18. Gasman1003

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    I'm 5'7'', I get someone 6'3'' standing in front of me!!:D
     
  19. chervokas

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    Of course I'm not saying there aren't issues with those things. But it's ridiculous to say a topical song is more topical outside of the context of the topic that it's about. "Ohio" is a song about the Kent State shootings, it's not more topical now than it was in '70...to a new listener today you'd have to actually explain what the song is about, to me it's a perfect example of a song that "works" today only as a kind of museum piece, which is fine, but doesn't have contemporary relevance. "Woodstock," a song about the rock festival, pretty much strictly an historical novelty despite it's back-to-eden theme, a kind of (I think dopey) utopianism that does ocassionally reappear in society (these days, you don't hear too much of that kind of back to the garden utopianism, its more a kind of technoutopianism that's futurist). "Strange Fruit" -- a response to lynching, it's not that there's not racial violence and intidation in 2015, but that song addresses a specific topic of it's time with specific language and a metaphor that would have to be explained to someone. Despite the fact that racial violence and intimidation still exist, that particular song about that particular topic is not more topical today. To the extent that any of those songs "work" today, it's because we still remember historically what they're about, not because they speak to today.

    Sometimes "issues" songs can be written so broadly and generically that they can work in other contexts -- Stephen Foster's "Hard Times" was written about and during the 1854 recession in the US and every economic downturn it gets pulled out of mothballs and it works. Or "The Times They Are A-Chaining" -- I mean the times are always changing, young people are always displacing old people in the corridors of power, it's generic enough and not specifically topical that you might be able to made it speak at other times. Still other times a song can be about a specific topic but the topic doesn't really matter, the song is more of a story song -- like Bob Dylan and Jacque Levy wrote a song about Joey Gallo, most of the people who heard that song even then didn't know who Joey Gallo was, you didn't need to know the underlying story which was just a kind of murder ballad/history/biography, it was more like going to see a movie like "Raging Bull"; for the same album they wrote a song about Ruben Carter that has all the same cinematic storytelling, but it doesn't speak broadly today to questions of wrongful or rightful imprisonment or fairness in the justice system, it's just about the Hurricane Carter case, completely tied to the specifics of that topic and it doesn't really work too well in any kind of broader way as a song. Sometimes you can take a song about a specific time and place and event and issue, and play it in a new context and because of that historical resonance it has functional meaning -- like Elton John turned a song about Marilyn Monroe into an elegy for Princess Diana. Sometimes that doesn't work -- try playing "I Dreamed I Saw Joe Hill" last night at a service worker's strike over wages at McDonald's and see if it works. And sometimes a topical song, being about a specific happening in time, becomes nothing more than a relic of that time, like, say Steve Van Zandt's "Sun City."
     
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  20. Remurmur

    Remurmur Music is THE BEST! -FZ

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    I have a lifetime of very fond concert memories from many years of live music concert going....especially back in the day when people actually went to concerts to LISTEN to and to EXPERIENCE music.

    Chronic tinnitus has tragically cut my live music listening days short, probably for good, so I no longer have a dog in this race, but some of the stories of rudeness and inconsiderateness that I read here as well as elsewhere make me feel that if I had to get out, I definitely did so at the right time ...:(
     
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  21. Bill

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    Same here. My solution, after a lifetime of great concert memories, is to avoid arena shows at which self indulgent, selfish jackasses can hide behind the anonymity of the crowd and go to smaller venues where they are exposed and escorted out if they cross the line. I wish it were otherwise, but that's the state of concert going for me in 2015.
    Here's a thought for the previous poster. If you really think the act's songs are museum pieces and dopey artifacts, spare us all and don't go see it live. We'll all get over your absence.
     
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  22. chervokas

    chervokas Senior Member

    Are you talking to me? You misunderstand...I mean, I also go to museums to see actual museum pieces, hell I'll travel to go to museums to see an historical work I want to see. Plenty to be gained from that. That whole exchange came in a conversation about the OP saying he like to go to concerts to see older acts and try to recreate the experience of the '60s and Woodstock that he missed because he's too young and his disappointment that everyone in the crowd around him wasn't living in that kind of moment; which is obviously an unrealistic and impossible expectation. The music and the performance is what it is today, and if you try to force it to be something esle and freight it with all that romanticized baggage from watching the Woodstock movie, you're bound to be disappointed. You can't recreate the spirit and mood and reality of 40 or 50 years ago -- it's not what the audience is going through and its not what the performers are going through anymore -- and the work itself sometimes travels well across time, sometimes only travels across time as a kind of artifact. But don't worry, I'm not going to see any CSN shows, never was my cup of tea, not in the '70s, not now.
     
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  23. thrivingonariff

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    Bill, he was discussing two specific songs, not an entire body of work. Your response is both gratuitously (and uncharacteristically) rude and off the mark.
     
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  24. You are very lucky to have seen a Dirt Underneath show! We didn't get any here in the Southeast. I've seen DBT 25 times but I would love to see a full band acoustic show...maybe someday! And just for the record, as I noted above, acoustic shows are different than rock shows. Acoustic shows should be a sit down and enjoy affair.
     
  25. jeatleboe

    jeatleboe Forum Resident

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    Sit down and shut the F up when I'm sitting behind you at a concert. I did not pay to see and hear YOU.
     
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