People, try and resist starting threads that pit songs against each other or albums or artists...

Stop being so precious, this is also a music forum where many of us come to talk about music. I like many others on here have virtually no interest in the loudness wars, mastering etc etc. I just cannot tell the difference.
I have 6 different versions of my favourite album Electric Warrior on CD. A few months ago I played certain tracks for a couple of hours trying to tell which version was the best sounding. I really couldn't tell. They all just sounded ever so slightly different, but not one sounded really better or worse than the other.
There are all kinds of questions about The Beatles that have nothing to do with their music, eg their individual heights, when did they stop smoking, and nobody complains about those threads.

 

Try typing The Beatles into search, my laptop practically fainted under the pressure of it all.

 

No problem w/ "Your Favorite Song From 19__? The who's ugliest, which sounds worse, and my dad can beat up your dad opinions are for the birds, and also what's your favorite bird?

Please don't screw this up and list members of the Byrds.

 

Right on brother! I can't tell either! I played the JP dsotm CP35 TO and non-TO 1A1 pressings (which I bought for $4 and sold in the classifieds for $170) back to back and couldn't tell a bit of difference... I don't care about mastering, I care about the music, which is why we're all here isn't it? if it wasn't for this forum I would never have discovered 10cc, ELO, Pentagram, or countess other bands, DOMO ARIGATO GIZAIMAS !!!!!!!!!!

 

We need another Apples vs Oranges thread ... the previous ones have been mysteriously closed down.

 

I vehemently disagree! We need a lemons vs limes thread, because they are so similar, an apple isn't a even a citrus fruit !!!! that would be like a Beatles vs Monkees thread vs a Who vs The Kinks thread vs a fruit vs a nut thread, and what happens when you bring a fruit-nut or a wing-nut into the equation????? Too much to handle, meng...

 

No, it's NOT the only reason we are all here! Damn. Maybe Hoffman should take his name off the forum let the payments run out, and say "Free-for-all until the lease is up".

I will NEVER forget why this forum was started! I will not let anyone forget that this place is about sound quality.

I remember the days when people came to this forum and discovered what to listen for. Steve Hoffman taught the forum what to listen for. What the hell happened???

 

O Don Piano just said that it's ridiculous to object to the "obsessing with mastering" on a forum like this here one, not that obsessing with mastering should be a prerequisite to admission.

 

I miss it too, but its a much different place now. It is what it is. Not sure folks who werent around can even relate. And the more time that passes, the less it will be about what it use to be about. Sound quality, mastering and technical aspects. Sad to me, but oh well.

 

When you get people coming in here saying that they don't care about sound, you know this place is in trouble. You get endless vs. threads.

 

Don't get angry Grant, it's called Music Forums and not Mastering Forums. Perhaps ban all the people who come here for discussing music and not sound quality?

Live and let live. Read the threads you like and ignore the others. It works for me.

 

You weren't here from the beginning, so maybe you don't understand. Perhaps Hoffman made a mistake calling this a music forum.

The problem is that thanks to all you non-audiophiles, threads that interest me are disappearing.

 

You don't know if I'm an audiophile or not. Your attitude is not very welcoming for new members who are interested in music and/or mastering.

Perhaps you need a different kind of view, open up and enjoy change and don't yell "Get off my lawn you kids". We all love music, don't we?

 

Do members who have been here longer have more "say" as to how the forum should be run and what sort of content is discussed?

 

Those threads are more interesting than most of the polls and "vs" threads.

 

No, but I think it isn't outrageous to point out that this board has traditionally had a somewhat different focus than most music boards. Will all the polls and stuff, this board is starting to remind me of other music boards that I stopped posting to out of boredom. Every board has a certain culture that differentiates it from others, and if a board loses its particular uniqueness, it's in danger of becoming irrelevant and unnecessary.

Actually the potential problem as I see it is not that people post polls or this-vs-that threads, but that so often when actual audio conversation happens, it's trolled by people who have no interest in the subject and think it's irrelevant and stupid. For the last three years or so I've actually started to think that "audiophile" is a dirty word around here; a term of contempt and a club no one wants to admit to belong to, as they pet and stroke their $2000 amps and $3000 speakers.

 

I also love the myriad ways folks are coming up with "what's your favourite album?" threads without being too obvious and calling them that. "What's the ONE album you want to share with everybody?" "What are the TWO albums you would take to a desert island?" etc.

 

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/do-you-have-any-beatles-photos-ive-never-seen-before.414980/
This happened. Hoffman started this thread and from what I can see it has nothing to do with sound quality.

 

Well, if it were "mastering forums" instead of "music forums" wouldn't that get boring quickly? I mean, we already know the answer to best sounding CD or LP of an album or song is going to the one "mastered by Steve Hoffman".

 

Yes but only to a 'completely self-taught idiot'.

 

Perhaps memorial T-shirts are in order:

NEVER FORGET ...
THE SOUND QUALITY

 

NEVER FORGET...
TAKE THAT*

*a UK pop combo

 

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I mean, ooh arh, nob arhh, nob arhh .... nobody does that anymore. Anybody who did that round here would be laughed off the street. No, nowadays people want something wittier.

 

Full-on schoolyard mode again -

Irony - when our host starts a thread against ppl starting threads pitting groups,artists etc against each other and the thread ends up pitting audiophiles and non-audiophiles (or something like that ) against each other