Blue Jeans LC1 RCA interconnects..Opinion?

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  1. whaiyun

    whaiyun Forum Resident

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    I use BJC for my interconnects, 3 ft from my TT to the phono stage and another 8 ft to my integrated amp. I haven't tried other interconnects so I guess I don't know better but I have no qualms about my BJCs.

    However my speaker cables are Analysis Plus Chocolate Bi-Wire. I like em too!
     
  2. Aerobat

    Aerobat Forum Resident

    I was going to build my own LC-1 interconnects (being cheap) but Blue Jeans recommended Belden 1505-F instead, having similar characteristics but easier to terminate. I've been using this cable with generic gold RCA plugs for years now from TT to pre and pre to poweramp, and couldn't be happier. I've tried a number of cables from cheap to expensive in my system and friends and find the 1505F to be precise and transparent.
     
  3. Art K

    Art K Retired but not tired!

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    True, often,
     
  4. Art K

    Art K Retired but not tired!

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    What is high priced and to whom. I certainly don't have an agenda. I work in social services not hifi and I don't get any discounts or kick backs. I have a point after which I hear differences but not improvements. My line of demarcation is different (lower than some and higher than others) than yours. Could it be that there is more than one way to look at the issue...?
     
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  5. Upinsmoke

    Upinsmoke Well-Known Member

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    Art , buddy, friend - ya need to back off a bit and chill. No one said anything about you buddy. Smoke something, drink something, and listen to some chill music.
     
  6. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

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    Paul, this is not the first time I have heard this. Another friend of ours who runs tubed Mac gear had the same results with Grover Silver Reference, Cardas and other very good hybrid Silver/Copper cable not sounding good. The Blue Jeans I'll guess are pure OFC, yes? Not surprising as the other Mac owners solution was simple. Go buy inexpensive lamp cord of pure Copper and the problem was solved. The reason I've guesstimated is some audio components, especially pre-1977, are voiced with factory Copper cable and hybrids with Silver, Teflon, etc. muck up the sonics. On my 1990ish system it's the exact opposite. :shrug:
     
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  7. Art K

    Art K Retired but not tired!

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    There was nothing aggressive or in your face about my post. If it bothered you that's all on you. My point is simple...our (meaning all of us) points of reference are as different as the individuals involved.
     
  8. redshift1

    redshift1 Member

    Using the Blue Jeans speaker wire 6 ft works fine with my desktop system.
     
  9. Paul K

    Paul K Senior Member

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    Toronto, Canada
    Exactly!
    The lamp cord works for the speakers believe it or not. The copper interconnects work a treat and it is all dandy!
    I wouldn't have believed it myself, but said friend and I have been finding revelations aplenty between us.
     
  10. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

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    :agree: On this side of the flats too! Our friend is a very smart fellow. So far it's Grover's 1st pure Silver holding the crown on our wet side of the country.
     
  11. TVC15

    TVC15 Forum Resident

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    It doesn't come across as very secure. As if your faith is being challenged. Just chill, knowing some of us are pretty sure you wouldn't pass a DBX. The LC1 is by no means the cable you describe.
     
  12. Erocka2000

    Erocka2000 Forum Resident

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    I have to agree with Art here. I had some LC1's when I was first getting into the hobby and initially, I thought they were good, having not really compared them to anything else other than the monoprice cables or the ones that come with a device. But after switching to some Morrow cables afterwards, I heard all I was missing with the LC1's. The LC1's in comparison were very lifeless, with restrained dynamics and a very veiled top-end. The Morrows definitely beat out the LC1's in every aspect. I have since moved on to some different cables, but I would still say that listening to the difference between the LC1's and Morrows was ear-opening.

    I know people love good deals, and I know the construction and feel of the LC1's is good, but that doesn't always translate to good sound. I feel like that sometimes trying to find the next big deal affects what people think they hear, similar to the Sony Playstation 1 CD player craze. Much could also be said about the uber-expensive cables as well, as there is a point of diminishing returns. It's just that there are many better cables out there which will open up your system much more and allow you have much better resolution.
     
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  13. chervokas

    chervokas Senior Member

    Well, speaker cable and interconnect cable are quite different applications. With the speaker cable you need to keep the resistance low and the inductance low and try not to let the capacitance get too high (low inductance and low capacitance being to some degree in competition with each other as design elements). And you can acheive those things in different ways -- thicker conductors, shorter cable runs, litz cable to lower inductance (but you will get a capacitance increase), and/or some combination there of (I guess you can also go with silver, to lower resistance but the marginal difference in conductivity between silver and copper relative to the difference in expense between the two has always kept me away from silver, too costly for a marginal gain, if I want lower resistance I can just go up in copper conductor width). I like 12 awg power cord type of cable with reasonably low inductance just fine for most applications up to reasonable lengths of 15 or 20 feet or less. And I've heard differences I "shouldn't" have between even short lengths of zip cord and short lengths of thicker cable in guitar amp applications.
     
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  14. Art K

    Art K Retired but not tired!

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    You are reading in to my statement what was not written or implied. That is on you. As far as the DBX, I couldn't possibly care less. I have used the LC-1 in a variety of settings and with a variety of amps and sources. They are to my ears as I have described. Just as they are to your ears as you have described.
     
  15. Jack Flannery

    Jack Flannery Forum Resident

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    I love cable wars.
     
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  16. bruce2

    bruce2 Forum Resident

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    I agree with Erocka and Art too. I tried the Blue Jeans between my TEAC PD-H600 CD player and Rega Brio amp last year. They sounded OK but definately a little dull and lacking in detail. I wanted to try something better so I purchased a pair of Synergistic Research Alpha interconnects from my dealer for $100 and noticed an immediate improvement in detail and musicality when I put them in. I haven't gone back to the Blue Jeans since.
     
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  17. chervokas

    chervokas Senior Member

    It's funny, this was my first impression with the LC-1's which I bought in order to used in an application between a SUT and phono pre because of the low capacitance and excellent shielding. But as I listened I realized I was hearing more detail especially in quiet passages. Then I started shifting the LC-1's around into other positions and found sometimes they sounded exactly the opposite -- brighter and more open than the interconnects they replaced. I ultimately came to the conclusion that the excellent shielding of the LC-1's was helping to remove a haze of artificial zinginess from the proceedings and allowing more detail through and greater blackness to the silences, and the extremely low capacitance was helping in long run installations or with relatively high source impedances.

    I've heard more open sounding cables -- in fact my preferred cable is a custom made twinax with shield floating at one end and teflon dielectric that sounds more open, more effortless in the bottom end, but also more noisey with less access to low level detail at the piano end of the dynamic range.

    Personally I think there's blessed little difference between cables of similar types and construction. Coaxial cables of ballpark capacitances and resistances (including the capacitances and resistances of the connectors, which may be as much or more responsible for the differences we're hearing between interconnects: there can be pretty substantial differences in capacitance and resistance between connectors, you really need to compare cables with the same connectors to know what the source of the difference is), all sound pretty similar to me.
     
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  18. Extra Dry

    Extra Dry Forum Resident

    That is what it should be. It is personal,there is no right or wrong. Individuals like our selves are just sharing what we hear. This should be fun. Happy Listening.:wiggle:
     
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  19. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    Reopened by request
     
  20. mkane

    mkane Strictly Analog

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    We have two pair. Excellent if not a bit stiff for some vintage stuff.
     
  21. Ingenieur

    Ingenieur Just a dog looking for a home...

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    I use the LC 1 on my TT.
    Fair price, low capacitance, well made.
     
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  22. Ham Sandwich

    Ham Sandwich Senior Member

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    Sherwood, OR, USA
    I recently got two pairs of Blue Jeans XLR cables. One pair of 1 foot and one pair of 3 foot. But Blue Jeans doesn't mark the cable pairs for left and right. So I used little 1/2" ponytail rubber bands to identify the left and right cables. It would be nice if Blue Jeans had the option to get red or white boots on the cables. But this will have to do.

    [​IMG]
     
  23. Leao

    Leao Forum Resident

    Good value and nice construction. Sounds fine. I would buy again.
     
  24. Rich-n-Roll

    Rich-n-Roll Forum Resident

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  25. Phil Thien

    Phil Thien Forum Resident

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    Milwaukee, WI
    The entire point of the LC cables is their relatively Low Capacitance per foot.

    Swapping them something else may indeed result in a change in the sound, especially if you're using them for your turntable.
     
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