Female lead singers ... Where were they before the millennium ??

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  1. Dukes Travels

    Dukes Travels Forum Resident

    You guys all forgot Culture Club...
     
  2. AppleCorp3

    AppleCorp3 Forum Resident

    All the Motown ladies, Fleetwood Mac, Carole King, Grace Slick, Eurythmics, Heart, Janis, The Pretenders...etc

    Yup - where did they go??
     
  3. zelox

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    Even with the revised criteria, I think we need to give the OP a newsflash: It ain't so. :unhunh:

    Male bands may dominate, but going thru my own collection as a baseline, I see no shortage of lead female singers in bands. And this course is putting aside all of the great female singers who front themselves (and their own house or sessions band) as "solo" artists. I found 25 acts that meet the criteria, all of whom have charted well - and prior to the 90's:

    Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane/Starship
    Janis Joplin of Big Brother & Holding Company
    Mary Travers of Peter, Paul & Mary
    Cass Elliot and Michelle Phillips of The Mamas & The Papas
    Diana Ross of The Supremes
    Judith Durham of The Seekers
    Elaine "Spanky" McFarlane of Spanky And Our Gang
    Susan and Barbara Cowsill of The Cowsills
    Pattie Santos of It's A Beautiful Day
    Tina Turner of The Ike & Tina Turner Revue
    Linda Ronstadt of The Stone Poneys
    Karen Carpenter of The Carpenters
    Christine McVie and Stevie Nicks of Fleetwood Mac
    Juice Newton of Silver Spur
    Anni-Frid Lyngstad and Agnetha Fältskog of ABBA
    Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart
    Deborah Harry of Blondie
    Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders
    Martha Davis of The Motels
    Pat Benatar of the Pat Benatar Band
    Joan Jett of Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
    Annie Lennox of Eurythmics
    Terri Nunn of Berlin
    Katrina Leskanich of Katrina And The Waves
    Rindy Ross of Quarterflash
     
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  4. doublenaught

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    Julie Driscoll of Brian Auger and the Trinity
    Minnie Riperton of The Rotary Connection
     
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  5. the pope ondine

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    Smith (gaye mccormick) Shocking Blue ...seems like there were a lot in the 60's, 70's....
     
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  6. Remy

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    I always wonder the same thing when I make a 70's playlist.
     
  7. Karnak

    Karnak "81, 82, 83, 84..."

    This^ + Tracey Thorn
     
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  8. davers

    davers Forum Resident

    Indeed. I especially recall female lead singers being very common during the 80s, a handful of whom are on your list.
     
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  9. mschrist

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    I think the OP has the direction of change right, even if the magnitude of that change is overstated. There have always been important women artists in rock music, but there's a substantially greater presence of women in rock music now than there has been in the past, even if the genre as a whole continues to be primarily male. For example, I typically find about twice as many women rock artists in the top twenty of the Village Voice's Pazz and Jop polls from the '10s than I find in polls from the '70s or '80s.

    I suspect it is probably primarily the result of broader social and cultural changes. There have been increases in the representation of women in lots of different fields. I can't really identify a convincing reason for greater participation of women in rock music that is special to rock music.
     
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  10. bluemooze

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    o_O
     
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  11. ARK

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    Nice list, but in defense of the OP, this is figure is out of how many total artists in YORK collection pre-1990's?
     
  12. zelox

    zelox Well-Known Member

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    Well sure, and as I put it directly above, male bands dominate. But "relatively rare until the 90s"... I can't buy that. Think if we were to add to this list all the female solo acts who nonetheless fronted bands either in the studio and on stage, or both. The list would then become HUGE.

    As for the OP adjunct "now they dominate," I don't buy that either, because that too is an overstatement.
     
  13. Chrissie Hynde is the lead singer of The Pretenders. What band is Madonna the lead singer of?

    Madonna is a solo artist and always has been.
     
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  14. bluemooze

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    Understood.
     
  15. What, we're just going to ignore those amazing bands she was in, namely The Breakfast Club and Emmy? :D
     
  16. Jason68

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    I would add Susan Christie. Here is a link to the song "Rainy Day".
    Her album came out in 1970. I should also add the work of Wendy and Bonnie Flowers and their album "Genesis". Wendy & Bonnie - "By The Sea" , but not least, The Daisy Chain are worth a listen, if only for the excellent Farfisa work of Camille Orosco. 02 Daisy Chain - All Because Of Him (1967)
     
  17. Dillydipper

    Dillydipper Space-Age luddite

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    This comes up occasionally in Country Radio circles as well. In that case, it's not as "sexist" as one may conclude. There appears to be a different set of biases in play, for a number of particulars of Country. Bottom line is, no there are plenty of female country singers in Country, just more than a Country Radio audience is willing to accept. In the case of fewer opportunities to please an audience with a female singer, the stations opt for established stars, of which they also have more than they can use. So aspiring young singers get even less opportunity for a slot on the playlist. But, don't worry, they're still out there...and probably waitressing 35 hours a week.

    Now, these are not hard and fast "rules", but they do apply. Country audiences are more interested in relatability, "realism", whatever that is, and empathy. Moreso than a pop or rock audience. (remember, not hard and fast rule, just demonstrably accurate) Pop and rock listeners will go for the hook, the swagger, and the attitude first, in general.

    Country audiences start from a different place. Legible lyrics train listeners to listen carefully for them. Listeners trained to listen more carefully keep doing this after the song is over: they relate more to the jocks and the artists, and like to think these people could be their friends and live in their world. They even listen to the commercials more carefully! Not to say in all cases, but for the pop and rock audience, the listener's first concern is: "wow" me. Taken to the extreme, when you're a pop star or a rock celebrity, you are on a pedestal. The songs are not about you, they're about them, even if it's a relatable situation. Aren't Country stars put onto a pedestal? Yes...but at an angle, so you can look 'em in the eye.

    Oh, Country does try to help women break through. You don't see the tight network of label-to-morning-show, artist-to-audience, fake-grassroots-level marketing used to this extent with other music formats. Country understands, if they're gonna shut an artist off from exposure because all the're interested in is their established stars, then they have to work harder to help their next meal ticket overcome that imbalance...without knocking the bread and butter off their own pedestal in the process. Pop and rock: throw 'em to the wolves, let them sort it out.
     
  18. DirkGentlyUK

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    Previous century - A long history of talented female singer/songwriters.

    This century - One autotuned, talentless, copy/paste pop-tart after another.
     
  19. Lightworker

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    Female lead singers were pretty popular when I was in grade school. Girl groups were huge in the early 60s.
    Female instrumentalists in rock are something else entirely, however. They were always around, but
    were viewed as a "novelty" until the late 60s when Maureen Tucker, Grace Slick and a select
    few others began to break through. Thank the late Kim Fowley for the "all-girl rock band" concept.
    Despite his questionable motivations...he's really the one that made that happen on an international scale.
     
  20. kreen

    kreen Forum Resident

    If you're talking about all of pop music, there's always been a ton of female singers.

    If you're talking about rock n' roll, well that's a genre that was defined early on by agressivity, loudness and predatory sexuality. So it was by its very nature a manly kind of music. Women could do it, but organically, it had to come from men first.
     
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