The Ahhs in A Day in the Life-Poll*

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by adm62, Aug 11, 2009.

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  1. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Again, we know how the song was recorded and have a transfer of the same multitrack to listen to.
     
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  2. moople72

    moople72 Forum Resident

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    It's dead-on, actually.
     
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  3. Lance Hall

    Lance Hall Senior Member

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    Correction.

    That's 52% for John solo and 48% for not John solo.

    That is a basically a tie.
     
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  4. adm62

    adm62 Senior Member Thread Starter

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    I think today John has got about 40 more votes. Paul maybe around 20?

    Currently JL 410
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    Both 143
     
  5. brainwashed

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    It's interesting how much talking and noise-making is going on. Paul sort of mumbles to himself and then counts off his vocal intro, and not in a whisper either. Add in all the extraneous noises in the background, must have given Sir George heartburn:D Ron
     
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  6. brainwashed

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    Why is the word of Chip (who's a GREAT guy), Steve or anyone of authority be more likely to be correct than one of us? Some of us are quite credentialed in our own right and have the ability to decipher as well as those you mentioned. I can't say this enough. Giles tweet WAS off-the-cuff. He answered without hesitation because he didn't go back and listen to the track. I know this for fact. You keep insinuating that he COULD have listened intently to chatter, isolated vocals and all that before answering. He did not. Next time I'll have pictures taken and posted to prove myself. And I bet that STILL wouldn't sway you. Ron

    PS Lukpac has perhaps the BEST ears on this forum. He knows what he's talking about and has the good sense not to usually get caught up in the back-and-forth minutia. Please listen to the various isolated vocal tracks... last posted, I believe on page 37. If John is singing the 'ahhs' who's making the oohs and howls? It ain't Paul.
     
  7. Alex D.

    Alex D. Forum Resident

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    I seriously doubt that Giles put forth very much thought and research in his John tweet. It's not like he was saying "by listening to the most obscure tapes, I have finally gotten to the bottom of this great debate." I would be very surprised if he even knew this debate existed. And if you don't know that this debate exists, you're not searching for any bit of evidence of one singer or another. If we all believe that George sings Happy Just to Dance With You, we're not going to notice the supporting evidence of that fact, even though, there would be plenty of it. (I do realize that the biggest piece of evidence is "because it sounds like George", but we can't solely use that type of evidence in the case of the Ahhs because it somehow sounds like different singers to different people.)
     
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  8. supermd

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    :agree: Frustratingly so, sometimes. ;)
     
  9. My lard! Believe what you want. I'm sticking with Giles and mine own ears. No offense to you or to Lukpac's ears. In fact, I'll go as far to say that Lukpac could write a good book with all his music knowledge. Still, the presumptions and conclusions you guys are throwing out are all opinion and conjecture, not fact, and I'll take Giles' first hand experience over armchair quarterbacking.
     
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  10. Ha! Funny. Proof that statistics can say whatever you want them to. :laugh:

    You could also say it's 22% for Paul solo and 78% for not Paul solo.
     
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  11. Onder

    Onder Senior Member

    Funny to see how "it's Paul" people rely only on their own ears while "it's John" people keep saying "It sounds like John AND I believe what Giles and Geoff say", as if subconsciously they're not all that sure and need some support. Just an observation.

    Well, Paul said in an interview that he doesn't sing on Come Together that John wanted to sing the harmony himself. I don't care what is Paul saying, he is wrong. It IS Paul on the record doing the lower harmony.

    Ondra
     
  12. thrivingonariff

    thrivingonariff Forum Resident

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    So, you think that the "ahhs" sound "not at all like Paul" and you "don't hear that at all", yet "if Giles said it was Paul", you would admit that it was Paul. Meaning that, despite your confidence in the accuracy of your own ears, you would immediately reverse your thinking if Giles were to say something that contradicted what you feel certain you're hearing. Is that right?
     
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  13. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Except you have that completely, 100% backwards. Giles has provided nothing other than an offhand statement, while the "armchair quarterbacks" have put forward hard evidence. You've simply chosen to ignore it because of who has put it forward.
     
  14. S. P. Honeybunch

    S. P. Honeybunch Presidente de Kokomo, Endless Mikelovemoney

    If we can't trust Giles' knowledge about who is singing what, who can we trust?
     
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  15. Finchingfield

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    Might as well chime in, but don't think that I'm no nut ;) :

    --the "aah's" at the intro of Lovely Rita: I always thought they were Paul. The Beatles Rockband video on YouTube shows it as Paul, for what that's worth, yeah probably nothing...

    --the harmony "mai-ai-ai-aid" and "aah's" just prior to the piano solo of Lovely Rita: I always thought they were John. The Rockband video shows them as John and George, yada yada...

    --the "aah's" in the dream sequence for A Day In The Life: I always thought they were John. The Rockband video shows them as John...

    --my ears have always told me the "aah's" at the beginning of Lovely Rita and the dream sequence of ADITL were sung by 2 different people, Paul and John respectively, that's how I've always heard them. They are distinctively different according to my ears. Regardless of what Giles and Geoff are saying. For what that's worth...


    For those of you looking to compare more stuff, then compare the "aah's" just before the piano solo of Lovely Rita with the "aah's" dream sequence of ADITL, and get back to us... ;)
     
  16. lukpac

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    "Martin joined the "Ahhs" section to John's next verse"? What is that supposed to mean? They were recorded in the same take as Paul's lead vocal. Whatever their function, they were recorded as part of Paul's section, not John's.
     
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  17. S. P. Honeybunch

    S. P. Honeybunch Presidente de Kokomo, Endless Mikelovemoney

    The reason why John recorded it after Paul's lead vocal was likely due to John having two important singing parts right after each other. It makes less sense to have Paul recording those two parts right after each other on the same take due to the flexibility that different takes would offer Paul. It's not that Paul couldn't accomplish such a feat, but merely that punching in and out gives the singer more flexibility with laying down the perfect performance.
     
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  18. thrivingonariff

    thrivingonariff Forum Resident

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    What is the source of the "pitched down" track?
     
  19. supermd

    supermd Senior Member

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    Regardless of whether or not you agree that Paul sings the "ahhhhs," wouldn't you say the "ahhhh" section itself is, I dunno, kinda dreamy?
     
  20. HfxBob

    HfxBob Forum Resident

    To me it sounds more like a choir of cosmic lamentation. :cool:
     
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  21. S. P. Honeybunch

    S. P. Honeybunch Presidente de Kokomo, Endless Mikelovemoney

    Whether it sounds dreamy or not isn't going to sway either side. The issue is how John's voice sounds when he's singing the "ahhs".
     
  22. muffmasterh

    muffmasterh Forum Resident

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    i have always thought it was John but if Giles had said it was Paul I would accept that, shame others who think its Paul cannot do the same.

    Its a bit like the remoaners, because brexit won the referendum they want to have another vote before brexit can be finalised, but had it been the other way around the same demand from the other side would have been laughed out of town and rightly so.
     
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  23. muffmasterh

    muffmasterh Forum Resident

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    are they ? you know this for a fact ? - I do not lay claim to knowing for sure that it is not but I'd like to know why you know it " WAS "

    and even if it was ( citation still required ) it is still a linking section from Paul's to John's song just as the first ascending section was a link from John's to Paul's.
     
  24. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    As already stated:

    Paul's vocal and the "ahh" section was recorded in one continuous take.
     
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  25. Tanx

    Tanx Forum Resident

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    I always thought it was John, but this voice is Paul.
     
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