Listenin' to Classical Music and Conversation

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by bluemooze, Feb 22, 2017.

  1. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    Now playing CD1 - Nocturnes from the following box for a second listen ...

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  2. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    Let me clarify, I was referring to LP's pressed by these labels way back that had poor press quality, not their more recent pressing. The date of the original recording often does not mean all that much as good recording but poor pressing will still give you a lousy sounding LP.
     
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  3. Rose River Bear

    Rose River Bear Senior Member

    Spinning The NoonDay Witch.
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  4. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    Now playing CD1 from the following twofer from my Avison collection for a second listen. Wife is away this weekend so I can do my late night listening on my big rig ...

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  5. Mowgli

    Mowgli Runs with scissors

    Location:
    Taxachusetts
    My reply to someone that posted (somewhere else) his SACD copy of Heifetz Mendelssohn/Beethoven Violin Concerti.

    Heifetz used his priceless 1742 ex-David Guarnerius violin on my 1959 Munch/BSO recording of this Mendelssohn concerto. It was his main performance axe even though he owned a couple of Strads but I don't know if he always used it for this concerto. It was used by Ferdinand David when he played this concerto's premiere in 1845.
    I have the 180gm 1983 Red Seal LP with Heifetz using that Guarnerius. Sweet.

    1742 ex-David Guarnerius - Bartolomeo Giuseppe Guarneri 'del Gesù', Violin, Cremona, c. 1740, the 'Heifetz, David' | Tarisio
    article from 2002 - Putting Heifetz's Violin Back Into Action
    from 2011 - Embodied Spirit: The Journey of a Famous Violin
    recent, about Heifetz - Jascha Heifetz's US debut a hundred years ago

    not my rip
     
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  6. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    Kubelik was excellent when it came to conducting works by Eastern/Central European composers ...
     
  7. Six String

    Six String Senior Member

    Agreed. I just gave you the dates for reference in case you had a long history with the label and knew it's ups and downs.
    Again that's the only label I've had any personal experience with that you mentioned.
     
  8. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    CT, USA
    Supraphon is really the only record label from Eastern/Central Europe I have in some quantities but they are mostly fine and are all CD's. I have a small handful of Melodiya CD's ...
     
  9. hvbias

    hvbias Midrange magic

    Location:
    Northeast
    Because I'm a science nerd :whistle: : Blind-tested soloists unable to tell Stradivarius violins from modern instruments

    Blind-tested soloists unable to tell Stradivarius violins from modern instruments

    (don't read into this, just posting it in case someone finds it interesting. I think musicians should play whatever instrument they enjoy and lets them best express themself)
     
  10. Mowgli

    Mowgli Runs with scissors

    Location:
    Taxachusetts
    It took Sasha a year to"wake up" the David...
    from Embodied Spirit: The Journey of a Famous Violin - "“It took a good year to actually feel that it was getting back to life and responding,” he says. “Apart from that, this violin is not an easy one. There are some violins that are user-friendly. Many Strads [instruments made by Stradivari] are user-friendly. This violin does not make friends easily. You have to figure out how to deal with it.”"
    Blind testing Strads and Guarneris misses a fundamental point, says Frank Almond
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    Blind testing Strads and Guarneris misses a fundamental point, says Frank Almond

    "I’ve had the unusual good fortune to play on three golden-period Strads for several years each, the latest being the ‘Lipiński’ from 1715. In each case it took at least three months for me to recognise fully what was possible (or not) with these extraordinary functional antiquities under a wide variety of conditions. I observed that as time passed my violin also seemed to open up and adapt."
     
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  11. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    CT, USA
    I think there are both Stradivarius violins and cellos but were any other string instruments made?
     
  12. Mowgli

    Mowgli Runs with scissors

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    Taxachusetts
    Stradivarius - Google Search
     
  13. hvbias

    hvbias Midrange magic

    Location:
    Northeast
    It's still a subjective (biased) opinion that it takes X amount of time to acclimatize to an instrument. Technically another blind test would be needed to be done to refute the original test. If the authors wanted to do that then cool! If not this isn't life or death medicine here, I just thought it was interesting.

    Restating my opinion I had in brackets that I think it's fine for musicians to play any instrument they want.

    Another interesting article: Stradivarius violin tops The Strad’s ‘blind test’ of old and modern instruments

    Though as I understand most Strads do project more than most instruments. And loudness is one of the things that fools the mind.
     
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  14. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    CT, USA
    Now playing the following CD from my Bach collection for a second listen and probably the last listen for the night ...

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    Emma made 3 early Bach cantatas recordings with the Purcell Quartet, circa 2005 for Chandos. @bluemooze, you mentioned you noticed some aging effect on Emma in one of your earlier posts, did you have one of these Chandos recordings in mind?
     
  15. bluemooze

    bluemooze Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Frenchtown NJ USA
    Now listening to CD 1 from "Adrian Willaert: Musica Nova - The Motets" performed by Singer Pur on Oehms.

    Another purchase of something I heard on Spotify. :)

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  16. bluemooze

    bluemooze Senior Member Thread Starter

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    It was this one...
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  17. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    So this was the last recording EMMA made (much after 2005) ?
     
  18. bluemooze

    bluemooze Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Frenchtown NJ USA
    I agree. :agree:
     
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  19. bluemooze

    bluemooze Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Frenchtown NJ USA
    It's a 2017 disc.
     
  20. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    CT, USA
    Can't find a later recording than that! Time is brutal on everyone! :(
     
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  21. bluemooze

    bluemooze Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Frenchtown NJ USA
    Thanks for reminding me that I only have two of those and I need to get the third. :)
     
  22. bluemooze

    bluemooze Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Frenchtown NJ USA
    Now on the turntable, record 2 from "Beethoven - Complete String Trios" performed by the Grumiaux-Trio on Philips.

    Arthur Grumiaux - violin / Geroges Janzer - Viola / Eva Czako - cello / Maxence Larrieu (flute).

    Serenades Op. 8 & 25

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  23. Wes H

    Wes H Forum Resident

    Location:
    Virginia
    I have an album of John Ogdon and Brenda Lucas, also on Argo (LP in my case), but without Marriner & orchestra. The music here is unusual, varied in tone, and quite enjoyable--at least for piano aficionados--and, remarkably, none of it was initially written for two pianos.

    The Liszt Concerto Pathétique is not a "concerto" in the usual sense (with orchestra); Liszt originally wrote it for piano solo, but later fleshed it out for two pianos. It's quite a bombastic piece (like most Liszt) and nothing like what the "Pathétique" title suggests.

    Likewise, the Schumann Andante and Variations did not start out as a two-piano piece. Schumann original score included two cellos and horn--which must have sounded quite odd!

    Debussy arranged the Schumann Six Canonic Studies for two pianos; Schumann had originally written it for a piano with pedal keyboard (a practice instrument for organists).

    Ogdon & Lucas play pianos by Bösendorfer. The LP was released in 1973 (Discogs is wrong).

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  24. Wes H

    Wes H Forum Resident

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    Virginia
    Yes, indeed. I had to do some work in my basement last week and took an old plastic Sony "boombox" and a stack of CDs down there with me. Nothing "audiophile," but it was music, lifting my spirits and making the job go much smoother.
     
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  25. Wes H

    Wes H Forum Resident

    Location:
    Virginia
    The sound quality on Moravec's Connoisseur Society records is superb.
     
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