Beatles guitar parts when Harrison & when not ?

The lack of documentation doesn't prove anything.

Photos don't lie, that George photo predates May 1970.

But like I said, could be a Billy Preston session, or Rahda Krishna Temple...George around that time, favoured the Casino on others sessions.

Maybe one day, some more photos appear from that session, so we can know for sure.

 

Did I miss something? How do we know that photo was taken before May, 1970?

 

'Come Together' has electric piano on it, and that was recorded at Abbey Road studios. You can hear it best in the chugging lead up to the first guitar solo, and then in the outro. Sounds like a Wurlitzer, to me. I'm sure the Beatles could have gotten their hands on one, seeing as they had those Fender ones shipped in at great cost, only to reject them! (surprised Paul rejected those outright).

I don't think we can base what instruments they played on Abbey Road solely on Babiuk's book, since apparently there wasn't much research done for the Abbey Road album portion. For George's gear, for instance, Babiuk just writes something like, 'he likely used the same gear as on the Get Back sessions'.

 

What is the Casino/ATMP correlation? There are other 1969 pictures of George with the Casino - probably for Abbey Road sessions.

Seems that he got the Casino out for his Modern Jazz Quartet jazz session in April, 1969 - whereafter he began using the guitar again in the studio. (I don't believe there are any studio pictures of him using it in 1968, though that doesn't mean he didn't.)

 

Wright's autobiography talks about a batch of ATMP sessions at Abbey Road with him playing Wurlie.

It's not just Babiuk who doesn't have the Wurlie, it's Kehoe and Ryan as well. Not saying that makes it definitive, just that - between those three - there was a lot of research done. And yes, while they certainly could have gotten their hands on one (especially as they been around for a long time), for whatever reason they were often behind on gear.

 

How would those writers explain the electric piano on 'Come Together'?

It could be the same studio piano that Wright plays later on on George's sessions.

 

It sounds like a Fender piano to me. Especially the last hit in this isolation, it's got that typical Fender ringing overtone:

Come Toghether - el. piano solo

Ondra

 

Rhodes.

 

It was in their live set for two years before they recorded it ;-)

 

I was looking for this thread! Did we ever work this out?

1. This is a continuous single take featuring John and George on guitars? It features no "punch ins"

2. George & John are still playing through the "One Sweet Dream/Came True Today" sections of the song with no edits, overdubs, or punch ins interrupting them?

3. Are three guitars playing during the One Sweet Dream/ Came True Today section and are these the result of overdubs or punch ins?

4. What does the 5:51 minute out take tell us after the take breaks down? Are we hearing the two guitars we heard at the beginning or are we hearing guitars that in the ensuing minutes were overdubbed at some parts of the song?

Just throwing this in...i lost touch with this thread and I'm curious how this works out.

 

It clearly did in my mind. In the one sweet dream section we get a doubled guitar part which could be one guitar double tracked or two guitarists playing in unison. Also can anyone tell from the sound of the guitars who might be who... im guessing the Les Paul would sound distinct from the Casinos(or telecaster, strats, or esquires?) possibly in use here. The tones are rather bassy and low key on one part and chimey, barking, and brassy on the other. The leslie'd guitar i assume is George's, the one sweet dream piece is i assume George & Paul, the came true today soloing is i assume, because of too many people is McCartney alone though id believe it could be mccartney and harrison trading off lines or possibly all George but im almost certain thats not Lennon.

 

I don't sense Paul being involved on guitar. George and John had it handled. John is going above and beyond on this one.

Sounds like they added the third guitar (probably a George overdub) to restore a missed chord or two at the 2:39 mark on the drum track at 'Soon we'll be away from here' (the 'restored' chord voicings at this spot on the master is the same sound as the chords George plays belatedly on the drum track).

On the drum track you can hear George stop playing the arpeggios and join John playing the dual lead lines that precede 'One sweet dream' - beginning at 2:11 on the drum track. Listening closer now, are there three guitars before the 'One sweet dream' segment? Or does is the effect of them playing in unison and their notes meeting in the middle of the stereo image to create a 'third' voice? Even on the master (and on the non-drum excerpt track) it doesn't quite sound like three during that part.

 

Could even be this one in the 1966 pic...

 

very interesting minutiae.

 

More likely this one (pictures from the Dec '65 UK tour and rehearsals):

 

Yes, I don't think this guitar is even mentioned in the Beatle Gear book...I only have first edition. Considering at this time they had few guitars I wonder why this one doesn't have more of a mention in their guitar history. Seems we all know all their guitars but this one lurks at best.

 

A replica, with the page from Beatles Gear:

 

Can't be. This candy apple red model was called "The Strat" and was introduced by Fender in 1980 (September, IIRC).

Ondra

 

There is that fill at 4:00 of the 5:53 raw outtake or at the last few seconds of the released version that i cant accept as John at all. I think wed have to hear the 8 tracks of the raw takes to conclude that Lennon had the ability to execute such a sharp fill that is characteristic of either mccartney on pepper or harrison at other points of the medley. We're missing something here or im dead wrong...but the distorted guitar here sounds like the lead fills on carry that weight or too many people. One thing we've established is that the 3 beatle guitarists were using epiphone casinos throughout the abbey road sessions. Documentation, the bright chimey sound and the presence of the leslie effect suggests the rosewood telecaster... The Fender VI could explain how the guitar has such a bassy tone but is i the only explanation? I'm no guitar player.. but is there a possibility that the bassy distorted guitar might be a les paul? Harrison seemed pretty attached to it for lead work and no matter what other guitar he was using at that time the les paul was always in evidence. Could the les paul have gone from that bassy bluesy set of opening notes through the one sweet dream lead and to the came true today soloing? Is the sound characteristic of the LP? Meanwhile could it be John on casino doing chimey strumming during out of college...possibly doubling the oh that magic feeling arpeggiations...then doing the choppy rhythm of one sweet dream..doubling the chords for soon well be away from here and playing the arpeggios that end the song in unison or ADT.. it would be reminiscent of his playing on octopus's garden and the brash chord sound of the casino?

 

Circumstantially, there's so many mistakes with the aggressive improv lead guitar that it would lead me to believe it's John - even or especially after thirty takes. It took him thirty takes to arrive at a place where he could play those licks, but just barely pulling them off from lick to lick; he had reached the limits of his ability - he could play brilliantly if he had to, but not perfectly.

Take 30 was deemed best out of 36 takes. George on guitar would have worked his parts out by then, and would have demanded a retake til he was happy with his parts, or gone back and re-recorded it later. Paul would have had everything worked out before he recorded a guitar track. And the fact that it is so reckless and then used anyway sort of points to it being John's work.

It's either that, or George played all the parts.

 

I could see it. The stuff at the beginning sounds a lot like Hold On, John its well within his capabilities. And 36 takes is a lot of time to spend. Its kind of a sign of the times within the band that no one is bragging about this work. Same with Its All Too Much... youd think someone would sandwich in a comment or two amidst all those retellings of the hey jude anecdote!

 

Not to keep sawing on and on... but maybe everyone is correct... its just john & george only it is john doing the rhythm and george doing the lead.

How do we know that a leslied tele is involved when it is quite possibly john who got similar tones from his casino on octopus's garden, sun king, and aint she sweet from the same sessions. And why do we assume the bassy tone is a fender vi and not a les paul(or george's casino).

 

One thing I think we can all agree on --the Casino is one of the most beautiful sounding guitars of the rock era. I tend to play my other guitars more, but when I play my Casino, I wonder why I even have other guitars.

 

Reissue or original?

 

Reissue; bought it 7 or 8 years ago.