Needledrops: Ortofon 2M Blue & Nagaoka MP-110

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  1. punkmusick

    punkmusick Amateur drummer Thread Starter

    Location:
    Brazil
    I just did a few needledrops using these two different cartridges.
    Set is Pioneer PLX-1000 > Musical Fidelity V90 LPS > Denon AVR-3200 integrated > (via Tape Out) 2010 McBook Pro running Audacity.
    No filter, no cleaning, just the rough needledrops so we can hear any noise it may have.
    Below you'll find links to Dropbox. Just samples (1 or 2 minutes). Songs with very different styles.
    Which one you like better and why?

    The Damned - Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide - 2M Blue
    The Damned - Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide - MP-110

    Miles Davis - So What? - 2M Blue
    Miles Davis - So What? - MP-110

    Social Distortion - So Far Away - 2M Blue
    Social Distortion - So Far Away - MP-110

    Hope I didn't do any mistakes and this works.
    Cheers!
     
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  2. c-eling

    c-eling Dinner's In The Microwave Sweety

    I'm biased as i have and enjoy the blue :laugh:
    Shame there is some groove damage/distortion that both are picking up- right channel on that Davis
    The 110 seems to not be picking up the clicks and pops as much, but it could be the slightly lower mV.
    I think both did quite well on the bass from The Damned tune
     
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  3. punkmusick

    punkmusick Amateur drummer Thread Starter

    Location:
    Brazil
    Thanks for listening. I noticed this, brand new record, but also never washed.

    That bass is so good!
     
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  4. c-eling

    c-eling Dinner's In The Microwave Sweety

    Which do you prefer? Both seem pretty comparable
     
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  5. vinylkid58

    vinylkid58 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Victoria, B.C.
    I like the MP-110. A little smoother treble than the 2M Blue.

    jeff
     
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  6. punkmusick

    punkmusick Amateur drummer Thread Starter

    Location:
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    It's interesting. I had the Nag first than added the Blue. At first I thought the Blue was much brighter than the Nag. My system (including absence of room treatment) is on the warm side so when I put the Blue I found it to sound better. When using headphones, however, maybe too bright.

    But now that both these cartridges have at least 30 hours each I guess the Blue broke in and smoothed out. When I put the Nag back to do the needledrops, I was surprised how much they sound more alike now than before. I still think the Blue is a bit brighter but not as much as I thought at first. The difference seems now very subtle to my ears. Other people may find the difference more evident though, it will be interesting to see the opinions.

    By the way, I don't get that bass on The Damned CDs, and I have a few. Maybe I have some ressonance on the tonearm making the bass sound more prominent that it really is? If so, I don't wanna get rid of this ressonance too soon...
     
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  7. punkmusick

    punkmusick Amateur drummer Thread Starter

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    I forgot to say that I didn't attempt to match volumes. I wanted the difference to be noticeable.
     
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  8. Minty_fresh

    Minty_fresh Forum Resident

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    B.
    Kudos on using a Damned song. Criminally underrated.

    That’s all I got.
     
  9. Socalguy

    Socalguy Forum Resident

    Location:
    CA
    Too close to call thru stereo. Nag sounds better on my iPhone
     
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  10. punkmusick

    punkmusick Amateur drummer Thread Starter

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    I'm sorry, I don't know what this means.
     
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  11. punkmusick

    punkmusick Amateur drummer Thread Starter

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    Actually it's in the left channel, I just realized that RCA to MacBook was inverted so channels are swapped.
     
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  12. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

    Location:
    Sweden
    Speaking over just the sound and considering other factors like price Id be inclined to go with the Nag since its just much cheaper for me.
    Even styli replacements are, so you will save a lot a few years down the line or pay still slightly less for the 150 stylus upgrade.
     
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  13. punkmusick

    punkmusick Amateur drummer Thread Starter

    Location:
    Brazil
    Any opinions on the sound ?
     
  14. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    Sweden
    Will do once I get access to better sound that my phone speakers ;^)
     
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  15. nosliw

    nosliw Delivering parcels throughout Teyvat! Meow~!

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    Ottawa, ON, Canada
    The Nagaoka MP-110 has better bass reproduction and the overall sound is smoother while the 2M Blue is a bit more detailed sounding in the higher frequencies. I prefer the Nagaoka MP-110, personally, and can vouch how it sounded since I own one.
     
  16. punkmusick

    punkmusick Amateur drummer Thread Starter

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    Nice, thanks
     
  17. WestGrooving

    WestGrooving Forum Resident

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    California, U.S.A
    From your samples, I prefer the MP-110. Comparing back and forth, the MP-110 sounds a bit more open (spatial texture) and more engaging to listen to... imho.
     
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  18. c-eling

    c-eling Dinner's In The Microwave Sweety

    Kinda how I felt when I dropped from the AT-150MLX down to the Blue. For my tastes- in a good way.
    Using the Lounge has helped the taming as well. Some enjoy a detailed high end, I'm not one of them. On new remasters if I see the words-detailed/crisp/clean I usually shy away.
     
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  19. wellers73

    wellers73 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Both sound good, but I like the energy of the Nag. I'm hearing punchier transients coming from it.
     
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  20. muckyfingers

    muckyfingers Forum Resident

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    CA,USA
    I liked the MP-110 overall.
     
  21. Carraway

    Carraway Well-Known Member

    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Thanks for this. While I've been considering going quite a bit upscale with a new turntable, I ordered an MP-110 for the current one. The samples helped me decide.
     
  22. punkmusick

    punkmusick Amateur drummer Thread Starter

    Location:
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    I forgot to mention that the Nagaoka went with the stock Pioneer headshell and the Blue went with an Ortofon SH-4.
     
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  23. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    Just to freashen my memory I looked up the specs of the AT110E and was surprised how similar the specs are to the Nag. Id love to hear what difference you pick out sound wise.
     
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  24. Thomas_A

    Thomas_A Forum Resident

    Location:
    Uppsala, Sweden
    Did you notice any differences in arm/catridge resonance frequency?
     
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  25. punkmusick

    punkmusick Amateur drummer Thread Starter

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    No, but since they have a slightly different weight I thought I should register it.
     
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