Bent Cantilever - Replace or fixed?

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  1. allied333

    allied333 Audiophile

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    Tube amp is ultra clear, has strong treble and not subdued sounding. But, most SS is more aggressive sounding. MP-110 would likely be a little more aggressive on SS. But, still no 'wow' factor.
     
  2. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    Well, depends on what gear again, even if its SS there are many performers which fit better and worse.
     
  3. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    Here is a Grado Green review btw:

     
  4. hhjack

    hhjack Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I’ve seen that video. I’m a little cautious about this guy’s reviews after he bashed the Lounge Audio LCR MKIII. That being said, I don’t doubt the Grado Green is a nice cartridge, especially for the price. Howerver, the Nagaoka still has my interest more peaked.
     
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  5. Gethan Wall

    Gethan Wall Agent Provocateur

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    Watch out for the Nagaoka, I can only comment on the MP110 and compared to the blues nude stylus it's a step down. Doesn’t track sibilance well I found and doesn’t last as long as the blue (as long as you don’t bend the cantilever) ;)
     
  6. harby

    harby Forum Resident

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    Green is the top 15% testing of black2, so expect a similar sound signature to the $80 cartridge.
     
  7. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    How does that address a bent cantilever?
     
  8. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    It cant track perfectly, its simply a geometrical limitation. No 0.7×0.4 stylus can. But to completely remove distortion across the board you need a very fine profile, and replace it quite often too.
     
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  9. hhjack

    hhjack Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Interesting. Is sibilance a common problem with the Nagaoka? Any others experience this when running this cartridge?
     
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  10. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    As stated above this will happen to any cart with these stylus dimensions. But I rarely find it distracting on my setup. Remember, some music is simply made sibilant as well in which case it doesnt matter what you use.
     
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  11. glide

    glide Forum Resident

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    Fully and completely?

    OP’s current cantilever is toast. A stylus replacement from Ortofon address the issue. I don’t understand your question.
     
  12. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    I was confused the the term "replace the tips," which, unless I'm wrong, does not include the cantilever.
     
  13. Gethan Wall

    Gethan Wall Agent Provocateur

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    Agree totally. I use a micro line and have about 800 hours on it and still performs without any issue.
     
  14. hhjack

    hhjack Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Whoops, sorry. I didn’t see your previous comment.
     
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  15. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    When someone says stylus replacement they usually mean "stylus assembly" which includes the front part of the cartridge holding the cantilever and stylus.
    I guess tips just means the ends of a cartridge in this case.
     
  16. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    I should have been more clear, you dont NEED to replace them often. But purely theoretically speaking you will degrade the stylus after every play. So in a perfect world it would be replaced ever side or whatever. The actual specs for when it SHOULD be replaced range for up to many 1000 hours. The general point where a micro line starts to be noticably distorted is around the 400 - 500 hour mark however. So if you were extremely picky you would throw a new one on and compare them both on a test record after that point. But thats just wasteful really.
     
  17. hhjack

    hhjack Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    For better or worse, I placed an order for a Nagaoka MP-110. I’ll report back this week on my first impressions.
     
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  18. hhjack

    hhjack Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    The Nagaoka MP-110 was delivered, and I now have it on the Technics 1200. I'll give my impressions after I've had several days to listen to it.
     
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  19. Strat-Mangler

    Strat-Mangler Personal Survival Daily Record-Breaker

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    My father-in-law went through something like this a couple of months ago with a much more expensive cart. When he admitted to his wife how much the mistake will cost him, her jaw hit the floor. :laugh:
     
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  20. hhjack

    hhjack Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    So I’ve been putting hours on the Nagaoka, and I’m really enjoying it. It did take some care to get it aligned just right. The cartridge has a real nice low end that I wasn’t expecting. The Ortofon 2M Blue also has a nice low end but I might prefer the Nagaoka. The bass on the Nagaoka seems to have less separation, blending nicely with the other instruments, while still maintaining a full, rich sound. I have been listening for sibilance issues which may have reared it’s head a few times. But it’s hard to say if it’s part of the recording or the pressing itself. I should note that there is no sibilance distortion. All and all, I’ve been happy with this cart. Well performs above its modest price.
     
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  21. patient_ot

    patient_ot Senior Member

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    Play some aggressively cut records with narrow deadwax, especially something from the late 70s or early 80s. Rock music with female vocals (aggressively cut) is a good sibilance test also.
     
  22. hhjack

    hhjack Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Performing like a champ so far on my Springsteen and Tom Petty.

    Strangely, I don’t own a lot of female rock from the 80s.
     
  23. patient_ot

    patient_ot Senior Member

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    Try to find a copy of the Pretenders first LP, original US pressing . That's a pretty good sibilance test.
     
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