2014 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nominees (Nirvana, Kiss, Deep Purple, Yes, Zombies, Linda Ronstadt...)

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  1. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits, Abbie & Mitzi: Best Dogs Ever

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    Damn - you beat me to those comments! :D
     
  2. Driver 8

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    The second you present a theme / story / image, you're no longer neutral.

    And I'm not sure what ranking of acts there is other than the "In the RRHOF" / "Out of the RRHOF."

    The Ramones are in the RRHOF just as much as the Beatles are in the RRHOF, even though the majority of members of this forum would rank the Beatles ahead of the Ramones. A huge portion of the discussion of this forum, and other music forums like it, is based around the ranking of the relative merits of various artists, it's part of the discourse that surrounds all arts and human endeavours, not just music, there is a Baseball Hall of Fame, a consensus about who the great film directors are, rankings of the best restaurants in the country, etc.

    Because some artists you rank highly have been left out of the RRHOF, your attitude is "I'm going to take my ball and go home," or "There shouldn't be an RRHOF at all," or "The RRHOF will be obsolete in the future," or, now, "The RRHOF should be like youth sports, where everyone gets equal attention and everyone is a winner, so that no one's feelings get hurt."
     
  3. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits, Abbie & Mitzi: Best Dogs Ever

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    And I would agree. Many people hate to admit it, but Run-DMC "rocked" way way way harder than many other inductees.

    If someone can explain to me how this isn't essentially a "rock song", I'd like to know - and it's not even their hardest rocking song!

     
  4. Whatever their overall merits, I support keeping them out based on "Private Eyes" and "Maneater" alone. Gaah!
     
  5. vinylphile

    vinylphile Forum Resident

    A guess on your part and I completely disagree. The same era also saw the deaths of Alice in Chains and Blind Melon's vocalists yet their legends have not grown in the same way - and I say that as a huge fan of Layne Staley. I think you're blowing a whole lot of hot air with this one. Nirvana was a transformative, genre-defining band and Cobain an iconic figure well before his death. Pearl Jam have long outlived them and likely will be in the HOF one day but didnt have near the impact IMO.
     
  6. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits, Abbie & Mitzi: Best Dogs Ever

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    There is none, just the same as other HOFs - the Baseball HOF doesn't say "Babe Ruth was better than Jim Rice" or whatever. Once you're a member, you're "equal" to everyone else...
     
  7. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits, Abbie & Mitzi: Best Dogs Ever

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    Oh, boo on you! Those are good songs - and the "Private Eyes" album is top-notch.

    You're just another Canadian mad that Bryan Adams and Anne Murray weren't nominated! :wantsome:
     
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  8. Driver 8

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    It's such a rock song, in fact, that you can even "play" the guitar part on the Rock Band video game!

     
  9. skisdlimit

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    Still no Chipmunks... :mad:

    That's one thing that Hall gets wrong. :winkgrin:
     
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  10. Driver 8

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    That was my point, yes: the only ranking is that you're either "in" or "out": once you're in, you're in. Of course, that doesn't stop people from debating whether Elvis was "the King" of rock and roll, or whether the Beatles, the Stones, or Led Zeppelin or whoever were the greatest rock band of all time: fans of an art form or musical genre naturally have those debates, no matter how abhorrent it may be to James, who apparently believes we should just have a neutral history lesson that doesn't privilege any one artist over any other artist.
     
  11. setalpgninnpsekil

    setalpgninnpsekil Forum Resident

    Oh, no sir. Headquarters and Pisces Aquarius are fantastic records. It doesn't matter if they didn't play on the majority of the stuff. They played on part of it, and on the stuff they didn't play on, it's great work by topnotch songwriters and session musicians. The final product is what is to be judged, and the Monkees had a stellar output for such a short period of time that deserves critical reappraisal. As far as 60's pop is concerned, the Monkees were only bested by a few.
     
  12. Say It Right

    Say It Right Not for the Hearing Impaired

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    Do they have a limit to the number of nominations each year?

    Here are those who are likely to get in:

    1.) Nirvana - definitely, with Nevermind high up on "Best Albums of All Time" types of lists, Cobain having achieved iconic status (dying young impresses the selection committee)
    2.) NWA - Public Enemy paved the way, token rappers
    3.) Hall & Oates - top selling duo of all time, commmittee likes white people performing black music, Live From Daryl's House revives interest
    4.) Deep Purple - figuring that they were close last year, "Smoke on the Water" is the first 3 chords every young guitarist learns
    5.) Chic - immense influence past disco era, honors 2 deceased members (Bernard & Tony)
    6.) Kiss - they need to sell tickets to the dinner, have plenty of memorabilia to donate to the museum

    Peter Gabriel didn't attend for Genesis induction. That would've ruffled some feathers. Somebody else mentioned Linda Ronstandt wouldn't attend, if inducted. As petty as it sounds, that's how they operate. Both of these nominations are totally deserving, btw. Yes is nonimated as a tease. Zombies probably should be in, based on inductions of some contemporaries. The Meters aren't well known enough, but can see them making in eventually. Cat Stevens is Muslim, so he's probably under watch from NSA. Butterfield Blues Band played at Woodstock (looks good to voters) but will have to wait. Who's Link Way?
     
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  13. bizmopeen

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    I guess my issue is that I see them more as popularizers rather than innovators; there certainly had been "blue-eyed soul" practitioners for many years before they showed up (and indeed the term itself had been floating around for quite a while at that point, IIRC), but it is fair to say they really did strike a chord commercially with their admittedly palatable sound.

    Of course, using commercial success as a benchmark for anything around here is always a tricky endeavor (many cite it to support an argument and downplay it to reject one), so whether they stand on their merits will be for history to judge, I guess.
     
  14. Driver 8

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    If we're gonna throw out artists who employed session musicans, let's start by throwing out the Beach Boys, the Mamas and the Papas, and pretty much every single Motown act (Supremes, Temptations, all of them).
     
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  15. Say It Right

    Say It Right Not for the Hearing Impaired

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    Great. Then, they can get a casual mention in the next Novelty Acts exhibition.
     
  16. vinylphile

    vinylphile Forum Resident

    You are correct, it was me who said it. And it is my opinion. But it's also borne out by popularity, record sales, "best album" lists and RRHOF nominations.
     
  17. deadbirdie

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    Yes, but IMO they deserve inclusion based on the Abandoned Luncheonette album, Oates' mustache and the Jingle Bell Rock video. So there :winkgrin:
     
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  18. deadbirdie

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    I'm 100% for Monkees inclusion, particularly based on the above criteria.

    High selling, extremely popular, influential, they've got it all. It's not a question of why they shouldn't be included, it's why aren't they already.
     
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  19. ReadySteady

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    It's all opinion of course, but I'd much rather listen to Cheap Trick than Nirvana.
     
  20. vinylphile

    vinylphile Forum Resident

    That's fine...but I don't think there's any question who is more deserving of HOF induction.
     
  21. MekkaGodzilla

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  22. OK, I guess the "Jingle Bell Rock" and previously-mentioned "She's Gone" videos cancel out those two songs I still can't stand, so I am officially neutral on their induction now.

    Confidential to Oatsdad: You may mock the majesty of Bryan Adams, but just you wait, he's got something in the works...something that'll fix you Yankee doubters good. :evil:
     
  23. SoporJoe

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    Yeah, Nirvana is closer to Madonna than Cheap Trick is. :p
     
  24. Driver 8

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    Besides their commercial achievements, I think Hall & Oates belong on artistic merit. Robert Fripp, who collaborated with Hall on the Sacred Songs album, compared Hall to David Bowie as an artist, but even the less self-consciously arty "regular" Hall & Oates albums are tremendously well crafted.
     
  25. ReadySteady

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    No question at all, the Pixies.
     
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