Agree? I have all the music I want for the rest of my life. No need to hear anything new.

Sure, some of my father's family was much more classically inclined, along with other "old time" music, and they scoffed at the Beatles' classical pretensions. My aunt regularly derided the pop/rock we loved as racy garbage.

 

With rare exceptions in each of those categories, I don't like any of those styles of music either. But I don't see why that keeps me from listening to and enjoying younger contemporary acts that aren't hip-hop, pop, or dance, such as, off the top of my head, Salad Boys, the Twerps, Dick Divers, Ty Segall, Mikal Cronin, White Fence, Yuck, Speedy Ortiz, The Intelligence, Pond, Tame Impala, Best Coast, Dum Dum Girls, Literature, Ultimate Painting, Summer Cannibals, Withered Hand, Scupper, Destroyer, The New Pornographers, La Sera, The Proper Ornaments, Devon Williams, Wild Nothing, King Tuff, A Sunny Day in Glasgow, Peach Kelli Pop, The Resonars, Mercury Girls, and dozens if not hundreds of other bands you've never heard of and don't care to hear about, since your mind is made up already.

 

I think that's actually a very easy argument to make. I love classic rock too, but if we're going in that direction I say that a lot of rock music is more akin to comic or the Pop Art movement where pop (as in "popular") versus the idea of what fine art is becomes blurred.

Rock was for the masses, it wasn't for the wealthy and cultured. Did I miss something where that changed?

 

I hope I never get so stodgy that I go here. There's always great new stuff. You just have to know where to look for it. I just turned by 67 year old musician dad onto new music.

Ed

 

I get the use of the N word. I've pointed the reason for its usage out to others who think there's double standards. Even so, hearing it used in music repeatedly isn't for me. Aside from that, the music just doesn't do it for me. I can hear it's well done though. But, there's plenty of new stuff I do like.

 

I think it's very narrow minded to think that classical buffs reject anything to do with their favoutite genre. A friend of mine was a huge Wagner and Brahms fan but he liked Eno, Lou Reed, Beatles and Dr Feelgood. Judging by yours and tristero's comments, perhaps you find this less in the States? Have you ever met classical music fans?

 

The N word is awful. It was used to oppress and demean in the worst ways. No clue why some feel that it's alternate form is okay. That's always been a head scratcher for me.

Ed

 

I don't think anyone compered Frazetta to any great artist.

 

I don't know if it's appropriate to post this on this forum. It's not offence, but informative. And I don't want to derail the thread by doing so. But, worst ways, it'll get removed.

 

He did say works of art.

 

I'm not talking about old people and neither were you. You "imagined" that a classical fan would scoff at The Beatles. It's a bit of an outmoded logic to follow in 2016 don't you think?

 

See Gaslight's post above. My point was simply that rock is pop art, like Frazetta, whereas classical music would be considered "high art", more akin to Michelangelo than Dali.

 

You consider Frazetta's illustrations to be "works of art"? They're damn good illustrations, that's all. There's an art to it but it's not great art by a long stretch.

 

I think it depends on the classical fan. It's not like they are all going to be a uni-brain as far as likes and dislikes.

But since you asked...I like ER, PL but TLAWR not so much. The orchestra feels a bit forced, I prefer the stripped down version more.

 

My imagination was based on my actual experience from youth. There were other instances as well from my college years with people closer to my age. I'm not saying that all classical fans are this snobby, of course, but some definitely look down on the kind of music we regularly praise as manna from heaven around here.

 

I was talking about the lyrics in general, not just how he uses the n-word, but if that turns you off its totally reasonable. I dig the funk, jazz, and west coast hip-hop influences as well as the slam poetry, spoken word, & concept of the overall message. If heard it a bunch of times & continue to hear new things within the songs. I have to agree with Obama on How Much A Dollar Cost? being the greatest song of the year, but that's just me. Glad you still find things you do like, that's what's most important after all.

 

I was thinking in terms of socially and culturally.

 

Agreed 100%. Paul was right to get pissed off at Phil Spector for that one.

 

Indeed, they spoiled the song with the syrupy orchestration there. "Eleanor Rigby", on the other hand, works very well, IMO, as do the embellishments on "Penny Lane".

 

Here's an article from the NYT that compares the pleasures of classical to pop music.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/mozart-vs-the-beatles/

"But another reason to love a work of art is that it has the stunning intellectual and emotional complexity and depth of Homer’s “Iliad,” the Chartres cathedral, or Bach’s Mass in B minor. My argument is that this distinctively aesthetic value is of great importance in our lives and that works of high art achieve it much more fully than do works of popular art."

 

Classical snobs huh? Maybe I'm the exception to the rule but this week I've listened to:

Schubert
Mozart
Elgar
Messiaen
Sullivan
Grieg
Schumann
Bruckner
Beethoven
The Rolling Stones
Steppenwolf
The Beatles
Jethro Tull
Purson
Joan Jett
Sugar Stems
Frank Sinatra

Among others.

 

I am a classical music fan.

 

IIC, there have been one or two posts in the classical music thread that scoff at The Beatles. I don't scoff at The Beatles, but I don't listen to them either. I listened a lot as a teenager but the only albums I could stand listening to now are Rubber Soul and Revolver. All of the others have too many songs I don't like.

 

Not for me but he may be for some folks. I'd even bet that far more people living today would recognize his name rather than Welles'.
And as far as history books and those who write them; both should be met with suspicion before blind faith.

 

I consider illustration art. One of my favorite small museums have a huge collections of early 20th century American illustration and it's fantastic. Very much in the vein of Pre-Raphaelites. A lot of illustration, like Frazetta's, falls in the genre category. Genre painting has been denigrated for centuries.