Al Jolson remasters, old recording studio thoughts and TECHNICOLOR!

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  1. Angel

    Angel New Member

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    8 thousand cycles? That is less fidelity than a cutter head from the 1930's could offer.
     
  2. RetroSmith

    RetroSmith Forum Hall Of Fame<br>(Formerly Mikey5967)

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    Ang, thats what he said. I think I still have the interview, it was in BOMP magazine, 99% sure I still have it.
     
  3. Steve Hoffman

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    I'm sure that's what he said. Sigh. Some recording studios and systems considered 5,000 and above the treble region, 1000 the midrange region and 100 cycles the bass region. That is where their EQ controls were usually set. Anything about 8k caused your old style cutter head to go crazy with weird stuff.
     
  4. RetroSmith

    RetroSmith Forum Hall Of Fame<br>(Formerly Mikey5967)

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    Steve , would that have been a Westrex head? Or maybe a Grampion?
     
  5. Steve Hoffman

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    At Gold Star? It would have been a homebrew head cooked up by Dave Gold from US Signal Corp. surplus parts or something; probably from a radio aircheck cutter used in the 1940's. A stock Westrex head could go up to 12k without even breaking a sweat, even higher if coaxed nicely.
     
  6. RetroSmith

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    Wow. This I did not know.

    Those guys were very "Hands On" at Goldstar, werent they?

    You know, I was wondering. Besides the brief shots of Phil in Goldstar rehearsing Darlene that were in that Tv special, are there any more revealing videos or films of Goldstar in the 60s? Maybe some home movies
    taken by the Stan or Larry? Would you know of any?
     
  7. Steve Hoffman

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    I don't know how to actually view them but I know there are a bunch, and a bunch of stills as well. Stan Ross is saving them for his book I think...

    Yes they were "hands on" at Gold Star. Cheap is a less kind way to say it. Heh. Dave Gold would agree with me!:)


    Wow, is this a thread hijacking or what?
     
  8. RetroSmith

    RetroSmith Forum Hall Of Fame<br>(Formerly Mikey5967)

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    Well, yea, Steve, but it IS an interesting conversation!!

    As for the Gold Star Movies, Holy Mackerall!! Please tell Stan and Dave and Larry that if they dump them to DVD, this kid from Brooklyn will pay any amount to buy a copy. I'd really like to see the console, the tape decks and all that. True history.

    Does the 3 track console still exist?

    And Stan is writing a book? when will that come out?

    sorry to be such a pest! I love this "Recording History" stuff.....
     
  9. Steve Hoffman

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    1. Yes, and the Ampex as well. Dave Gold never throws anything away (except his echo chambers:( )


    2. Yes. I don't know.
     
  10. RetroSmith

    RetroSmith Forum Hall Of Fame<br>(Formerly Mikey5967)

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    Thank you Boss!!!


    Boy, movies of Gold Star........I wont sleep tonight.

    Mikey
     
  11. Steve Hoffman

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    Just home movies, Mikey. We all have 'em!

    Now, who else likes AL JOLSON? He's one of my all-time favorite performers! Rent the Jolson Story!
     
  12. RDK

    RDK Active Member

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    Just wanted to add that although I have little interest in Al Jolson (never really cared for him actually), this thread has been a most fascinating read.

    Hijack away!

    ;)
     
  13. sharedon

    sharedon Forum Zonophone

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    I love Al Jolson, and wish for better reissues! The cheapo Laserlight was "produced by Rod McKuen," oddly...
     
  14. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    That Jolson Story/Jolson Sings Again DVD news is fabulous! I've been waiting foever for them to make an appearance...:thumbsup:
     
  15. MMM

    MMM Forum Hall Of Fame

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    More thread hijacking

    John Palladino remembered a little bit about the custom made for Capitol 201's. He said there were basically two changes. One was a modified head gap compared to a 200. I don't think he quite remembered the 2nd mod, but from what he was trying to tell me, what Mikey said above makes sense for the other modification.

    John said that Capitol kept using the 201's for quite a while. He couldn't remember exactly when they changed to the 300, but seemed to think it was around the time Capitol moved into the (then new) Tower, though he wouldn't swear to it.
     
  16. Steve Hoffman

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    Changed the head gap. Interesting.

    Those 200 era machines were freakin' monsters! I guess I've heard the Capitol 201 machines on the Sinatra, Cole and other Capitol stuff I've heard. Cool.
     
  17. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    I have the Al Jolson Cee Dee below...not a bad track selection sound is OK...Not much available on Cee Dee from the Decca years...
     

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  18. John Hatter

    John Hatter Senior Member Thread Starter

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    Updated answer from the very helpful and friendly Jolson Society. Do MCA UK still hold the rights to Jolson stuff, I can t find any reference to him on their website ?

    "Six of the eleven albums that we've digitally re-mastered are the Decca
    albums released after the premier of the "Jolson Story". Unfortunately,
    those had that reverb added by Decca to simulate stereo. (We did not use
    any of the old 78s issued in the late 1940s.) We've eliminated that
    "simulated stereo" effect, so the recordings sound as close to mono as
    we're going to get using current technology.

    Two of the other discs we've worked on, "Al Jolson with Oscar Levant at
    the Piano" and "Overseas" were compiled from Kraft Music Hall radio
    broadcasts. Those were not tampered with by the recording company by
    adding reverb, so eliminating it was never an issue for us. Those are
    mono.

    I don't have an answer for you regarding the "World's Greatest
    Entertainer", "The Immortal Jolson", and "Jolie". What I CAN tell you is
    that if any of those recordings were ever doctored with by the record
    companies that originally released them, Paul Bowers has worked hard to
    make the songs sound as clean and pure as possible. The bottom line is
    that some of the source materials we used were only available with that
    reverb. Some of them were mono. We've removed the phony stereo sound
    from those that had it (if not completely, as much as possible without
    compromising the recordings in other ways) and made the original mono
    sound as close to "live" as we can.
    I hope these are better answers for you. They're the best answers I can
    offer. If you like, send in an order for one of the CDs (or order
    through the IAJS website) and hear how good they sound for yourself.
    Anything else, let me know"
     
  19. John Hatter

    John Hatter Senior Member Thread Starter

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  20. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    I'm an Al Jolson fan as well.
     
  21. tim_neely

    tim_neely Forum Hall Of Fame

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    Al Jolson's recordings fall under the "50-year rule" in the UK, so in England, his material is in the public domain.
     
  22. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    Which means that even if you buy an Al Jolson CD on labels such as ASV and Pearl Flapper, you will get the original recordings, John.
     
  23. John Hatter

    John Hatter Senior Member Thread Starter

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    Sadly I purchased the above CD. It sounded fine over the internet , but the actual CD is noise reduced very heavily. SH said earlier stick to the mono records, and that's what I'm doing. There are items regularly on Ebay. I just bought 4 10inch Lp's made in 1949, and the sound is better than the CD.
    Cheers
    John
     
  24. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    Another way to get very little NR if any is to get the UK PD CDs. I haven't been stung on one at all although the ASV Ernest Tubb CD does use NR quite a bit but still acceptable to me.
     
  25. Jeff H.

    Jeff H. Senior Member

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    Not to thread hijack here, but wasn't The Godfather Part II the last major film to be shot using the three-strip Technicolor process?
     
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