Bad news for music lovers: Fantasy Studios, building closed. Get your OJC CD's now!!

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by mcow1, Jun 8, 2007.

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  1. mcow1

    mcow1 Sommelier Gort Thread Starter

    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    I just heard through the grapevine that Concord in their cost cutting wisdom has let go Stuart, the Fantasy vault guy who knew where every tape was and are shoveling all of the tapes to the infamous IRON MOUNTAIN storage facility. The saying is: "Once in Iron Mountain, never out of Iron Mountain".

    Remember when all of the Columbia Byrds and Simon & Garfunkel masters were misplaced there for 20 years?

    So, the vault archivist Stuart is out of a job as is the entire Fantasy Recording and Mastering Studio engineers, technicians and all related personal. In other words, anyone who knows anything about the history of Fantasy, Prestige, Riverside, Contemporary, Specialty and the other labels now controlled by Concord are gone with the wind.

    This is truly a shame. The story is that while the Fantasy Studio staff was being told of their impending removal, the Iron Mountain people were in the parking lot padlocking the doors of the building so they could start removing everything. Getting rid of the people who know what they are doing to save a few dollars is really stupid. It's happened before (Bill Inglot) and it will happen again but still.....Stupid.
     
  2. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    The great engineers at the legendary Fantasy Studios were pros who were at the top of their game. The studios themselves were really nice as well. All gone now, I guess.

    Stuart Kremsky, the (now ex) Fantasy archivist was one of those people who always went the extra mile for clients. I could NEVER have remastered the "100 Greatest Jazz Albums Of All Time" from the original master tapes if it wasn't for him. He must have gone through and rejected 800 reels of tape before he found the absolute masters for us for those 100 albums. Also the Creedence Clearwater Revival LP's and SACD's I did were produced with CRUCIAL help from Stuart, who could find a true master tape in a pile of confusing oxide fodder. Now, the tapes are being entered in a computer and shipped to a big storage facility where no one will be able to distinguish a master from a dub, stereo from a mono reel or anything else. Most of that crucial information is NOT MARKED ON THE REELS. I give Fantasy credit for NOT throwing away the original boxes to rebox though; that would be much worse. One had to learn from experience which reels were which. That's all gone now.

    I've said it before but I'll say it again: If I were you all I would buy every OJC Jazz CD I could get my hands on.
     

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  3. Dan Halen

    Dan Halen Active Member

    Location:
    New York
  4. Solaris

    Solaris a bullet in flight

    Location:
    New Orleans, LA
    Oh man, this is bad.
     
  5. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    The destruction of musical history is going on and on and on... :shake:
     
  6. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

    Location:
    Toronto
    As everyone probably knows, Iron Mountain are a storage company. Many companies use it and all records are destroyed after a specific period of time.

    Another side effect.... it'll be impossible to go through the tapes at Iron Mountain because you have to order boxes blindly - they just ship the boxes out to the person who orders them in. Say goodbye to any releases from the proper tapes...

    This is crap, man!
     
  7. bluesbro

    bluesbro Forum Hall of Shame

    Location:
    DC
    Oh man....this is the worst news I've heard in a long time.
     
  8. johnny33

    johnny33 New Member

    Location:
    usa
    Im just getting into jazz.This makes me sick to my stomach.

    What is their purpose for locking everything up whre no one can get to it?

    Dont they expect that some day they will reissue again?

    What else if famous for being in this place called "Iron Mountain"


    Please excuse me now while I go throw up.
     
  9. RTurner

    RTurner Senior Member

    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
  10. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    I'm at a loss for words.
     
  11. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    Just follow Steve's advice and get as many OJCs as you can, they may not last much longer...
     
  12. phish

    phish Jack Your Body

    Location:
    Biloxi, MS, USA
    bad stuff.
     
  13. rcdupre

    rcdupre Flying is Trying is Dying

    wow, they're not gonna destroy them are they ??? :sigh:
     
  14. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

    Location:
    B.C.
    Oh man this is really bad news. :sigh: Jeeze, what in **** do we have to do, buy these labels ourselves? [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  15. Wie Gehts?

    Wie Gehts? New Member

    The selfish side of me is relieved that I have acquired all the OJC titles I wanted (which were numerous) in sealed condition during the past couple of years, after "discovering" jazz.

    The caring side makes me feel sorry for those who don't have the resources to buy everything they want NOW before the titles disappear altogether (many are already OOP) or become the "new DCCs" of eBay, as well as those who don't care for classic jazz now but will one day.

    My favorite period of jazz is mid-fifties to early sixties (roughly post-bop/pre-fusion). Try finding most of those classic albums on a CD imprint other than OJC.

    :shake:
     
  16. Planbee

    Planbee Negative Nellie

    Location:
    Chicago
    That's true about Iron Mountain. I work in banking and every once in a while I'll need an old file that happened to have been sent off to "storage." When I first started at my current place, I was told that we could get the files out of storage, but it'd be easier to just ask the client for the needed info a second time.

    Anyhoo, sad news. Like I've mentioned several times in other threads, I've been stocking up on OJC CDs over the last year and a half.
     
  17. WPLJ

    WPLJ Forum Resident

    The mind boggles at the amount of musical history that could potentially be flushed down the toilet. I will not hestiate to purchase OJCs of interest to me from now on whenever I see them. Man, what a serious DRAG!!! :realmad:
     
  18. bluesbro

    bluesbro Forum Hall of Shame

    Location:
    DC
    Well, I had waited on getting those OJC thinking Concorde was going to do the right thing and come up with a fabulous release program...

    Getting those OJC back to my wish list...:sigh:
     
  19. Buzzz

    Buzzz Forum Resident

    Location:
    back here on Earth
    I used to be file man at company that had nothing to do with music. Iron Mountain and the other storage companies we dealt with were awful. You would tear your hair out and say "we're paying for THIS?". Seeing how they treated paper files (I got to spend time inside some of these places), I would not think of them as leading candidates for something really valuable or unique. Computers and scanning will ultimately solve a lot of paper storage problems, but I guess music isn't quite so simple.
     
  20. johnny33

    johnny33 New Member

    Location:
    usa
    Steve, I am guessing its a good idea to pick up the cheap vinyl of the OJC's as well since this has happened?

    So what else is in famously locked up in this "Iron Mountain"? never heard of it before.
     
  21. I'm speechless :shake:
     
  22. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Simple? No, ridiculously hard. The client gets a vague computer print out of the inventory.

    And then they just GUESS which reels are to be sent.

    Always drives me bonkers because the person transcribing the information on to the computer knows nothing about historical tapes. They have no way of knowing what is what so you have pages of the same info for different reel numbers. No way to tell which is the correct reel to pull. Either you pull them all or keep guessing.

    Most likely what will happen is they will start using the digital safety copies of everything.


    When I was working on BAD CO. the print out from IRON MOUNTAIN was by SONG TITLE. So I read:

    Artist BAD CO.
    Song title: CAN'T GET ENOUGH.

    Reels 1-50 quarter inch tape
    Reels 51-60 two inch tape.


    Every single reel was marked MASTER because they had no words for anything else. POINTLESS. 60 reels all marked exactly the same for just one song. No tape legend info at all like "Name of studio, recording date, etc". Nothing. Which one of those 50 reels of quarter inch tape is the true master if any? Ship all of them across the country and find out. Maybe none of them. Ship them BACK across the country and have some minimum wager throw them back on the shelves. Try again, spend more money. Can't find it at all? Give up.

    Can you tell I'm pissed about this?

    Arggh.
     
  23. soundQman

    soundQman Senior Member

    Location:
    Arlington, VA, USA
    Yes, the digital dowload revolution will finally destroy recorded music history. Recorded music first becomes a subgenre/special interest in the computer technology universe. Then it disappears into a black hole. Swallowed and gone forever. The LPs and CDs us "dinosaurs" and "freaks" collect will eventually be the best reference masters available for most music of the past.

    Welcome to Capitalism my friends. If it doesn't make a profit anymore, flush it or burn it, or plow it into a landfill.
     
  24. Elegy

    Elegy Forum Resident

    Location:
    Midland, Michigan
    Well, I've been buying up all the OJC's I can find and will continue do to so.

    Very bad news indeed but it's not like we weren't warned this would happen. Steve commented on this when Concord first took over the Fantasy catalog.
     
  25. Johnny Connor

    Johnny Connor New Member

    Location:
    Homdel,NJ

    Gawdawful!!!:realmad: :cussing: :rant:
     
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