Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Mark, Apr 30, 2012.
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Bring on the new album -- I'm looking forward to it more than I expected to...
I'm starting to get psyched.
Soon: New Beach Boys music and a third row center seat for the White Plains, NY, show.
Hopefully, yours is not the last positive comment in this thread. I've been staying away because of the sniping and criticism of the project, a lot of which is just agism and unrealistic expectation delivered with the smugness of people who apparently are confident they could do better.
I thought the CBS Sunday Morning segment was very well done. I loved the quick clip of Dennis kissing the top of Brian's head.
Well this thread took a turn pretty quickly!
I finally found this interview from last year that I wanted to show those who question Brian's current mental state. It is an absolutely astounding - he discusses his creative process, and his work, and he is completely coherent and extremely articulate.
It's the best, and most insightful interview of Brian that I have ever seen (including interviews from the 60's). The interviewer is terrific.
My favorite moment, at the very end, he talks about how Lennon used part of his melody from "Don't Worry Baby" on "(Just Like) Starting Over" - and hums the part that goes " . . .but when I see you darling, it's like we both are starting . . "
Which, sadly, runs rampant just about everywhere. The notion that only young people can make art/music with vitality and merit is unfair and patently wrong, and that perception colors our opinion of so much stuff without anybody even realizing it.
Sorry, but there are far, far more examples of musicians/composers peaking early than there are examples of sustained creative longevity. Maurice Ravel and Duke Ellington are clearly examples of the latter. With pop musicians, this is much rarer, as pop musicians tend to have a more limited musical palette. So I'll be sure to schedule my concert bathroom break around "God Gave Rock N Roll Radio To You" or whatever it is called, based on what I heard of it.
The video screen shows a pic of Murry with the garbled mic sounds over the sound system...
"Son, I've protected you for 22 years, but I can't go on if you're not going to listen to an intelligent man"
"Honesty is the best policy..."
"When you guys get so big that you can't sing from your hearts, you're going down hill. Down... HILL!"
... <count-off> a-one... two... three... four... "Well since you put me down I've been out doing in my head..."
Maybe it is a case of the record companies refusing to pony up to support the recordings, production, and promotion of bands as they age and as they have more limited pop appeal. The Beach Boys, Rolling Stones, and R.E.M. are examples of great bands that paired themselves with record companies who gave a hoot about sustaining the creative, not to mention the commercial side of their art.
I don't know what you are trying to do by trying to associate pop music, that includes the Beach Boys, Stones, Beatles, ELO, Elvis, Who, Grateful Dead, etc., with a limited musical palette. That association sounds pompous to me.
Is this a joke? Really?
"Only young people can make art/music with vitality..."
This on forum dominated by celebrating music mostly from 40+ years ago and where expectations are that no artist can match those artists of that time...
They have a 20 minute break between sets -- dont get out of your seat to waste time going to the bathroom. Awesome show.
They play about 22 songs in set 1 for an hour, and then come back and play another 1:30 or so (small encore breaks)
Also show started promptly at 8. No opening act. Dont be late or you miss half the show.
Read what I wrote again, please. I said "the notion that only young people can make art/music with vitality is unfair and patently wrong."
You only read the little bit of the sentence that pissed you off!!
So: "I don't like the music made by old people, therefore you are wrong." Actually, you just proved my point -- the notion that only old people make vital/creative music is partly WHY you underrate music made by old people. Because you set it up thus: old people cannot possibly make music as vital as when they were young, therefore everything you listen to is heard through that filter of "this cannot be good."
Even though it's not immediately relevant, I really enjoyed that. Thanks.
nice tix score
I'm psyched. My 17yr old is psyched. My 14yr old is psyched. We're all officially psyched.
(my girl is a bit bummed she cant make it but she'll be on holiday in the UK)
I had a very nice time at the show last night. Surprising to see Brian play guitar on a couple of songs towards the end of the second set. If he has done that on any of the previous shows last week I had not read about it. He did start to climb back up to his piano right before the encore break so Foskett had to tell him to walk off to the side. One of the best things about the show was how it drew an all ages crowd. Obviously there were many sixty-ish fans there but many in their twenties and even teens. Just nice to see and it speaks to the timelessness of the music.
Whats the average capacity of the venues on this tour. Five thousand? less? More?
are most of the shows sell outs or close to it?
You quoted me and then mischaracterized what I posted.
I never listen to most of the acts you listed, so you may be right in those cases, but I stand by statement, pompous sounding or not.
the May 11 show is downtown at the home to our opera/symphony - really sweet venue. capacity 3800 / only a handful of singles left online
I could just as easily say, as Homer Simpson did, that jazz is easy to play because they make it up as they go along. That, like your statement, would be an unsupported and poor attempt to paint an entire genre of music with a broad brush.
The Raleigh Amphitheater seats right at 5,000. It was not a sell out but from where I sat it looked "pretty full" so I would guess the attendance was around 4,000 plus?
I am basing my statement on my past experiences with artists who could broadly be characterized as pop. Note that I used words and phrases such as "tend to" and "are rarer" in my original post. I don't have time to list every pop artist who started to suck at a certain point early on, or every pop artist who freely admits a lack of musical training. Having fewer tools at your disposal generally limits what you're able to construct. There are exceptions, but they are exceptions. You hear the cliche about "The first album was great and it was all downhill from there" applied less often to jazz artists and classical composers than to pop artists. So again, I'll stand by statement, and if you want to call it pompous, that's fine.
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