Beatles Duophonic Mixes

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  1. Rfreeman

    Rfreeman Senior Member

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    Duophonic I Want To Hold Your Hand is the definitive version to me. Just love the extra electicity it brings to the sound of tha tune. And I grew up listening to it on a mono player.
     
  2. HGN2001

    HGN2001 Mystery picture member

    I've never collapsed a duophonic to mono. Sounds like a fun project for experimentation purposes.

    Harry
     
  3. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    Harry, I would advise against it. After all, you'll never get back the five minutes wasted on doing that. Better to spend it doing something (anything) else! :)
     
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  4. HGN2001

    HGN2001 Mystery picture member

    Yes, but if I have FUN doing it, then it's not a waste! (But thanks for the sage advice!)

    Harry
     
  5. HGN2001

    HGN2001 Mystery picture member

    Well, it did take about five minutes...

    I picked "She Loves You" from Capitol Albums Vol. 1, and used Audacity to combine the two channels. The resulting recording sounded like a mushy, phasey mess.

    But, I DID have fun doing it.

    Harry
     
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  6. milk731

    milk731 Forum Resident

    Is there a complete list of all the songs that were released in America that differ from their UK counterparts?

    By all songs I mean the duophonic ones being discussed here as well as the fake stereo, and the mixes that were altered by Dave Dexter.

    If there's a website that lists them all I'd be plenty happy to have a link.

    Thanks.
     
  7. Scooterpiety

    Scooterpiety Ars Gratia Artis

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    http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/beatles/

    http://heroinc.fortunecity.com/btls/btls2.htm
     
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  9. Rfreeman

    Rfreeman Senior Member

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    Love the Beatledrops of the duophonic Y&T - makes me feel like a little kid all over again
     
  10. zen

    zen Senior Member

    I heard this last night for the first time (from my recent Capital vol. 2 purchase) and was enthralled by it.

    But was it duophonic or fake stereo?


     
  11. empirelvr

    empirelvr "That's *just* the way it IS!" - Paul Anka

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    Fake stereo. IMO, the rechanneling was done by EMI in the U.K. and the tape sent to Capitol.
     
  12. zen

    zen Senior Member

    The "fake stereo" was the impression I got. Thanks for the info too.
     
  13. Steve Hoffman

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    Wait, what? Who said?
     
  14. empirelvr

    empirelvr "That's *just* the way it IS!" - Paul Anka

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    I prefaced it with IMO...In my opinion. It wasn't meant as a definitive statement of fact. Sorry for the confusion. :)
     
  15. Steve Hoffman

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    EMI had the four-track. They wouldn't have spent tw0 hours making fake stereo for the USA they would have done a stereo mix of the song for the USA in the same amount of time. No one asked them to.
     
  16. gibtti

    gibtti Senior Member

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    All this discussion about what's fake stereo and what's 'duophonic' kills me.
    No matter how you do it, fake stereo = fake stereo, even if Capitol decided to call their way of doing it something else.

    Chris
     
  17. zen

    zen Senior Member

    Thanks for the info.
     
  18. empirelvr

    empirelvr "That's *just* the way it IS!" - Paul Anka

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    Supposedly, according to Lewishon's book, a stereo mix was made in 1965, but it was flawed with a drop out near the end and was never used. I can see EMI making a quick fake stereo version instead of a true stereo remix, especially if there was a deadline to send tapes to Capitol ASAP. Four hours making a new stereo mix versus one to two for a fake one...it might have made sense back then.
     
  19. Steve Hoffman

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    Four hours? You mean 40 minutes.

    There is no documentation at Capitol that a stereo version was ever requested. They had the mono tape already and just did it themselves (or so I was told by someone who was there.) Why weren't the channels split delayed? Who knows? It sounds like **** anyway.
     
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  20. zen

    zen Senior Member

    :mudscrying::thumbsup:
     
  21. empirelvr

    empirelvr "That's *just* the way it IS!" - Paul Anka

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    Truer words....
     
  22. Hamhead

    Hamhead The Bear From Delaware

    Same deal with "Voice Of The Xtaby".
    I found a green label SM pressing which I thought was in mono, played it with the mono button pressed on the pre-amp and heard that phone booth sound. Then I pressed the button to find out that it was a Duophonic LP...yuk!
     
  23. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Seeker of Truth

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    NYC
    I avoid Duophonic.
     
  24. shoshani

    shoshani Fixing A Hole Where The Rain Gets In

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    I found a Duophonic promo record from the dawn of...Duophonicdom, on YouTube. The aural illusion is probably far more impressive on orchestral and big band music than it is on folk, pop, or rock.



    I suspect that phase shifting was also introduced to accomplish some of the effect, along with the comb filtering. Maybe it worked better with a more complex signal of harmonics and frequencies?
     
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  25. shoshani

    shoshani Fixing A Hole Where The Rain Gets In

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    Ack. I give up. I can't get the YouTube link to show up as a LINK, with the bbcode URL tag or anything. How do I get it not to embed?
     
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