Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by -Alan, Feb 26, 2011.
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I had the Chimps album a while back. Only 2 Monkees tracks that I recall, neither of them worth it. I believe I still have all the others and I made a 3-disc set of the best of those covers.
Is someone saying that tracks we've gotten officially in the past as "unfinished" may actually have been finished after all?
I like how one part of "The Girl I Knew Somewhere," it seems like they didn't know the words and just kind of made them up...
For years, I've read that it was Gram Parsons, with his International Submarine Band, and not Michael Nesmith, who pioneered country rock. In his review of Nesmith's Magnetic South on AMG, Mark Deming wrote, "if he wasn't the first guy to merge country and rock (Gram Parsons easily beat him to the punch on that), he was certainly doing it well before country-rock became the next big thing." Well, I've been looking up some dates and here's what I've found.
The ISB formed in 1965-66, moved to New York, and released a single, "The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming"/"Truck Driving Man", in April 1966. In late 1966, they released a second single, then moved to Los Angeles, where they recorded another single in July 1967, then recorded their only LP in late 1967, which was released in March 1968.
Meanwhile, the Monkees' first album was recorded in Hollywood July 1966 and released in September 1966. Nesmith's "Papa Gene's Blues" was recorded on July 7 and his "Sweet Young Thing" was recorded 11 days later.
Given Nesmith and Parsons were on different coasts at the same time, doing similar work, it's unlikely one directly influenced the other. And if Parsons did his thing scant months before Nesmith did his, the Monkees' first album certainly outsold the ISB's album by a few million copies (in fact, the Monkees had four albums out by the time the ISB album was released; the fifth being released the month after).
Therefore, I think you have to give the Country-Rock Pioneer Crown to Nesmith, or at best it's a tie. But the idea that Parsons "easily" beat Nez is just plain wrong.
The old "Big Barrel Full Of Monkees" thread never actually had a big barrel full of Monkees to go with it.
That was just plain wrong.
Now that part two has started, I hope this rectifies the oversight...!
Got Monkees? Let's see your Monkees collections! I took this photo before I added the latest bare bones CD. Doh!
Look at the lower left album cover -- that's the 1988 US Arista vinyl reissue of the first album -- look down in the lower left corner -- they've chopped Nesmith's arms off! Actually airbrushed them or something. I remember noticing this at the time and thinking it was a little weird...for the Arista CD (which came out the previous year) they just shot the Rhino LP reissue cover and did a crude cut-and-paste to cover up the Rhino catalog number.
(EDIT: Sorry, just looked at it again and realized after all these years, I think it's Micky Dolenz's arms that got chopped off.)
(RE-EDIT: Sorry, my bad, that isn't even the Arista, it's the Sundazed -- yet, something still looks a little fishy there. But anyone who did buy the Arista reissue -- check it out, I'm not making this up!)
The lower left album is the Sundazed. I never picked up the Arista on vinyl. I just assumed it was the same as Rhino. I'll have to look for that one!
Cool pics Ben!
I think when Rhino's license expired on the Monkees catalog Arista did a quick cash-in by releasing the first 2 records on vinyl, but by then the money was gone. These are much harder to find.
Ok here's what I got for the 2nd LP: Colgems Stereo, Mono and Stereo RE and on the bottom Rhino, Arista, Sundazed
Nice! I really like the Stereo RE. I'll be looking for that when the Austin Record convention rolls around.
Here are my copies of More Of The Monkees minus the Budget CD.
That was my view this morning as I drove down Memorial Drive on the way to work... Boy, was I surprised - I didn't expect it to be a sunny day!
One other thing I remember, and of course I didn't pick any of these up at the time -- but when Rhino released the albums on CD in 1994-95, they also re-released them on cassette -- and the initial stock of cassettes was old stock of the 1985-1986 cassettes with the new catalog numbers stuck over the old. Then they redid new versions with the cover artwork taking up the whole front panel as opposed to the little square album cover with the songs listed underneath like the 1985-86 ones. I think inside they may have had musician credits. No idea if they were remastered.
Can anyone "out sick" this sickness?
Front, L to R, to back:
Rhino, African RCA,
Sealed Colgems, super clean opened Colgems,
good Colgems copy, Colgems promo,
Japanese RCA (stock), Japanese RCA (promo).
CD up front, of course. I have the Rhino cassette, but it's buried in a box.
Lost out on a Japanese Bell copy because I missed the auction end. Grrr.
We have a winner here folks... give him his tickets for the Ferry Ride.
Does anyone know if this concert was something like a check before the UK concerts including Michael? Did they play more concerts in 1996 before Michael joined them? I thought they only started again in 1997?
info, setlist: http://tela.sugarmegs.org/_asxtela/asxcards/Monkees1996-08-05AndersonCenterBinghamtonNY.html /
There was a whole 30th Anniversary Tour in the US in 1996. I saw them about 6 times that year.
I saw them a few weeks before they were setting out for England. They said Mike was back in LA editing the TV special. I was so hopeful they'd come back later with Mike, but...
nice promo copy of 'Girl' setting what I believe is a new top-end price for this record. I know its hard to find, but sheesh...what would a stock go for?
An African Changes? never heard of that, must be South Africa, I have most of the singles from there. I've only seen Changes in Canada, Australia and New Zealand, but I guess almost every country out there must have released one.
For an LP that didn't even chart its just amazing how many copies you can find out there...
As I recall, they did just a few live concerts as a trio at the very tail end of 1996, fulfilling commitments booked beforehand. It seemed a little weird having those concerts in between other stuff the four-man Monkees were doing, gearing up for the 1997 UK tour. I, too, held off on making a trip to the UK to see them, thinking the tour would come to the US afterwards. (Didn't know what had happened until after I got my tickets, which were front row -- pre-internet for me back then. Though I did notice a newspaper ad for the Star Plaza show which had a picture of just the three. I guess that should have been a clue!)
According to Monkees.net, the tour ran from June through Dec. I saw them in Aug. of that year in New Mexico when they filmed their spot for the Miss Teen USA pageant. After they filmed their medley of Daydream Believer and I'm a Believer three times, they took a short break and came back out and did an hour or so set.
The musical highlight for me was during one of the breaks in the filming, they jammed a version of Bo Diddley's Before You Accuse Me. It sounded similar to the Eric Clapton version with Mickey on lead vocals and Peter playing lead.
Monkees.net has an article on the Miss Teen USA appearance and it said they were in the middle of a 50 date tour.
Seeing the "Changes" photos made me think about when I first heard any songs from the album...
In the mid to late 70's, I believe I saw an ad somewhere about a radio station selling off a bunch of singles. The station was WLNH in Laconia NH. I don't recall the kind of music they played. I only managed to spend a short time rooting thru stacks of 45's in their attic (the radio station was in a large house), and managed to strike gold: A mint, yellow label, promo 45 of "Oh My My". I had never heard this song, and had never seen or even heard of the "Changes" album. I was quite excited about the find - but not very impressed by the song! I eventually sold the 45, probably during a lean period in the 90's.
Flash forward to 1981/2 - I don't recall if I was even aware of the Changes album yet, but after getting the Oz MONKEEMANIA double set in 1980, I was in my own personal Monkees revival. I was stationed at Hickam AFB, HI, and was personally acquainted with the woman who ran the rec center. The rec center had (as many bases did) a small library of albums you could listen to, and provided turntables and headphones to do so. Imagine my surprise to find a near mint copy of CHANGES (and with a "FREE" promo stamp on it) - probably played only once or twice, as even when it was new, there were likely very few young military members who were interested in THE MONKEES at that point in time!
At the time, copies of CHANGES were rare as hen's teeth, and I REALLY wanted the album. Now, I probably could have nicked it, and no one would have noticed. (And for quite a while after I found it, I wished I HAD nicked it!) But that wasn't my first thought - I figured, I'd just offer to trade some other albums for it to increase the rec center's library selection, or to buy the album outright. The rec ctr manager was having none of it - she absolutely refused any and all offers I made. As I recall, she was a bit of a BEE OTCH a lot of the time, and it seemed she was refusing out of spite, or some kind of power play. I lamented missing the opportunity to acquire this rare album, which, when the Monkees resurgence a few years later occurred, was either played and maimed by new fans, or stolen by someone less honest than myself!
Of course, I have since acquired a couple of US copies, one still in the shrink. And I really wasn't missing much as far as listening to the album goes....
i have no problems with changes. sure, it's no pisces, but it's not all that bad. to me, the monkees never made a bad record, just some better than others. i don't listen to it that often, but i do enjoy it when i do listen.
fav songs from changes
oh my my, ticket on a ferry ride, tell me love, 99 pounds, do you feel it too.
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