Black Sabbath's debut album is one of the only I can think of that started a new genre.

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  1. lc1995

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    This is such a break from anything that was done before them, I think they truly deserve the credit of creating heavy metal music.



    One of the most influential bands of all time in my opinion.
     
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    I think the biggest two factors are Tony Iommi's signature style (centered around simple, dark, distorted, crushing riffs) and Geezer Butler's dark, heroic, occult, etc. lyrics. But Ozzy's vocals are also great as well as Bill Ward's drumming.

    In my opinion, it's not even up for debate that Sabbath was doing metal.



    That is groundbreaking for 1970! I played a lot of Sabbath for my coworker the other day (somewhat familiar with rock but not to the extent of us Hoffmanites) and he was surprised when I told him it came out in 1970.
     
  3. kaztor

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    Probably started the ‘metal’ side of hardrock.
    I think LZ1 was the first real hardrock album.
     
  4. lc1995

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    Do you not consider Hendrix's work to be hard rock?
     
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    Oh, won't you come with me

     
  6. lc1995

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    that's hard, psychedelic rock but not metal
     
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    that's funny because "Evil Woman" is one of the songs on the Sabbath debut album that many consider to not be metal. I think the riffage is metal, but the lyrics are more standard 60s blues rock
     
  10. Kassonica

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    V.U started a new genre, Kraftwerk started a New Genre
     
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    Hard rock.
     
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    I'd say this is a contender:

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    What did Velvet Underground start?
     
  15. lc1995

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    The Ramones released a punk album a year earlier.
     
  16. Silver Apples, TDream, Neu, Cluster, Harmonia, Suicide, etc., disagree
     
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    Wickipedia agrees with poster on Steppenwolf, as do I. Seems OP just wanted a Black Sabbath thread.
     
  18. eflatminor

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    So did The Damned, but neither could be called albums that launched a genre. I say Never Mind did just that.
     
  19. lc1995

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    Who cares what wikipedia says? And I'm pretty sure that the article just states the lyrics say "heavy metal", not that the song is formative of heavy metal.

    If Born to be Wild is heavy metal, then so is every other 60s rock song with distorted guitars.
     
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    Are you saying thay the Ramones debut is insufficiently punk, or just not influential enough?
     
  22. Rose River Bear

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    Yep. A hard rock song with a boogie riff in disguise.
    The song Black Sabbath was heavy metal. Born to Be Wild wasn't no matter who says so.
     
  23. Tim1954

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    Cue people starting to post hard rock, hard blues rock and psych as evidence that “heavy metal” predated the Sabs.

    The “War Pigs” live footage above says it all. Nobody had EVER had the entire thing dialed in like that. And while they could “jam” with the best of them, their music was very much thoroughly arranged. The Who were loud and heavy, Blue Cheer was loud and heavy..... Cream, Hendrix, etc. etc. but all of these bands were looser and not playing the same type of riffs and progressions that Sabbath were able to juxtapose with lyrics that were so far off the typical paths of the time it was insane.

    Sabbath could play nothing but frucking epics with one idea after another, tempo changes like I had never heard and all of it completely arranged. The “jamming” was left to a certain part of the live show. To me this is another important component of their innovations, because “metal” is most often arranged music, not distorted guitar feeding back over moving drums and bass or 5 minute songs turned into 15 minute songs, etc.

    Sabbath’s music was different.
     
  24. lc1995

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    For what it's worth, I think genres are best defined by what fans of that genre think. Metalheads have laid out a fairly cohesive idea of what is metal.

    My grandma could think Tom Petty and Bruce Springsteen count as heavy metal, but that wouldn't hold any weight.
     
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  25. Rose River Bear

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    You forgot Jethro Tull. :D
     
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