Bob Dylan: Bootleg Series Vol. 13

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by DeeThomaz, Sep 24, 2015.

  1. soniclovenoize

    soniclovenoize Well-Known Member

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    Not quite! It was actually:

    1. Jokerman
    2. Licence To kill
    3. Man of Peace
    4. Neighborhood Bully
    5. Don't Fall Apart on Me Tonight
    6. Blind Willie McTell
    7. Sweetheart Like You
    8. I and I
    9. Foot of Pride

    But I do like the sequence you posted better ;)
     
  2. LonesomeDayBlues

    LonesomeDayBlues Forum Resident

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    Is it known which takes of blind Willie Mctell and foot of pride they were planning to release?
     
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  3. Indeed! Yes, I don't care for the released album at all now, sorry to say, but I did for a short while back in the late 80's. Apart from maybe Jokerman and I and I especially (the best two songs on the released album in my opinion) I prefer the best out-takes to any of the other released songs. I think he purposefully ditched the songs people clamoured for shortly thereafter in a bid to replace them with the more direct, confrontational, perhaps 'relevant' sociopolitical 'protest' songs connected with that era. It's a little like when he recorded George Jackson to counter those critics who said he'd gone soft and couldn't write relevant songs any more but when I hear Neighbourhood Bully, License To Kill, Union Sundown and Man Of Peace it makes me wince a little.

    On a more superficial level Infidels is now also notable for being the first Dylan album to feature that awful dated 80's production style. Oh Mercy was such an astonishing break-through after the run of poor 80's albums, it's almost tragic that it's not more fondly remembered by everyone today. I think Daniel Lanois deserves a lot of credit for that too! I think it was the best sounding Dylan album at the time of its release.
     
  4. soniclovenoize

    soniclovenoize Well-Known Member

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    Probably the full-band electric version
     
  5. Wouldn't logic have dictated that the electric version was the obvious choice for BS 1 - 3 in that case? Only the released 'acoustic' version ever sounded finished to me.
     
  6. soniclovenoize

    soniclovenoize Well-Known Member

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    Dylan? Logical?
     
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  7. LonesomeDayBlues

    LonesomeDayBlues Forum Resident

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    You are probably right, Dylan was involved in the track selection for that one.
     
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  9. joe1320

    joe1320 Well-Known Member

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    Wonder what this is?
     
  10. Tom Schreck

    Tom Schreck Well-Known Member

    The mystery thickens!

    I'm guessing this has nothing to do with BS13. Maybe some sort of video retrospective? Or the Rolling Thunder tour doc that Scorsese's been rumored to be involved with? Obviously the photos they used of Dylan in his logo are from different eras, but that doesn't mean anything necessarily.

    Personally, I'd love for them to start a new video Bootleg series of sorts. A new DVD/Blu-ray every year or two years? Why not!?
     
  11. posnera

    posnera Forum Resident

    Maybe they are producing the video content for the Gospel Years?

    Multiple packages available?
    1 - big (8 disc?) studio audio, live audio, live video
    2 - 2 disc studio only
    3 - cd/dvd live only
     
  12. INSW

    INSW Forum Resident

    It's probably one of those dopey cobbled together unofficial documentaries.
     
  13. Tom Schreck

    Tom Schreck Well-Known Member

    Eagle Rock is generally more legit than that.
     
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  14. GuidedByJonO)))

    GuidedByJonO))) Forum Resident

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    Fair enough, but wouldn't anything "big" be released through Columbia/Legacy?
     
  15. revolution_vanderbilt

    revolution_vanderbilt Forum Resident

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    Maybe not? Video could be put out by Eagle Rock, while audio on Columbia. Ask a savvy Rolling Stones fan, they would know the nitty gritty on this stuff.
     
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  16. GuidedByJonO)))

    GuidedByJonO))) Forum Resident

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    Makes some sense, I guess.
     
  17. duggan

    duggan Forum Resident

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    Totally agree.

    A big step down from Shot Of Love and a waste of so many superb songs.
     
  18. revolution_vanderbilt

    revolution_vanderbilt Forum Resident

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    In 2014, I listened to all of Dylan's albums, along with plenty of bootlegs, much of the material being my first listen. When it came to the 80's, aside from Infidels, everything was new for me. Oh Mercy was a very welcome respite and a marked improvement over, well, frankly, most of what came between it and Infidels. Plenty of gems in that stretch, and some lightweight fun (the Hearts On Fire stuff for instance, very 80's, but in a good way!) but never a set as consistent and powerful as Oh Mercy. Right after playing through Oh Mercy, my playlist moved onto the bootleg version, mainly early mixes of the master takes. While that was playing, I was inspired to write a song, specifically inspired by What Good Am I? I wrote a song called Life Is Too Short, and wound up doing a home recording that same day after work.

    As interesting as both versions are, I don't know that either would fit in with the album. Personally, they aren't even my favorite versions. Aside from the excellent Dream Syndicate cover (one of my all-time fave Dylan covers), I really dig how he played the song live a few years back. When I saw him in 2013, the way he sang it, it could have come off of Modern Times or Love And Theft. It was so natural, that it didn't seem so much a reimagining, as many of his older songs take on a novel quality, but that he had only, all these years later, figured out how the song was supposed to go.
     
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  19. From what you've said I'm guessing you probably prefer Infidels to Oh Mercy? It's interesting (to me) because when Oh Mercy originally came out I read the rave reviews and I'd been listening to a pre-release cassette given to me by an "insider" in the Dylan camp. I was pretty blown away by Oh Mercy to be honest BUT at the time I kept thinking that records like Infidels and Empire Burlesque (which got a much better press reception overall than Infidels) had been mistakenly passed over by the wider music press. I was convinced by the argument that Dylan had purposefully set out to make 'bad records' after the failure of Empire Burlesque, an album he had obviously slaved over for a while and was quite desperate to see win major popular acceptance with its cutting edge sound and trendy production re-mix guru at the helm. When that album tanked Dylan must have wondered why he even bothered to make albums any more. This explains the slipshod quality of its immediate successors.....until Oh Mercy.

    The latter album represents to me the PERFECT 1980's DYLAN ALBUM. All through the decade he had been struggling to sound relevant at a time of the emergence of MTV, the rise of the mega pop stars like Prince, Madonna and Michael Jackson, not to mention Bruce Springsteen. He had never sounded particularly convincing and his vocals had become more nasally and whiney which didn't help his cause much either. He lost the art of being Bob Dylan. Truth be told, no one had a clue how to make a great Dylan album at that time until Daniel Lanois met him and agreed to produce him. Lanois was most definitely the 'in' producer at the time and somehow helped to reshape Dylan into a powerful contemporary force once again. Note how a song like Man In The Long Black Coat actually uses his shattered vocal chords to great effect? Gone are the pinched nasally vocals and attempts to sing in a higher register. His words and delivery sound laconic but purposeful, nothing's wasted here, he's a preacher delivering his sermon on the mount. He has something interesting to say and we want to hear it.

    I heard a discussion on BBC Radio 4 at the time about Oh Mercy and much like a lot of the pop press of the day, the conclusion was that Oh Mercy was Dylan's best and most welcome album since Blood On The Tracks. A correspondent on the air said that the lyrics were so poetic and concise that they'd look as great on paper as they sound sung by Dylan with his withered crumpled voice. I think the reputation of Oh Mercy might have subsided a little over the ensuing decades and that might be in part due to the decade it was made, a decade a lot of artists of Dylan's age found it a struggle to sound contemporary and relevant. But taken within the context of its time, Oh Mercy still sounds like one of the great Lanois productions and in that sense it is part of a smallish canon of great albums associated with its producer as well as being an important and distinctive album in Dylan's own body of work: the quintessential 80's Dylan album in my opinion. It only took him a decade of attempts to get there.

    P.S. - a question I've had since 1989 and I don't know if anyone else has ever asked this or indeed if anyone has an answer but right at the end of Man In The Long Black Coat someone screams out "Whooaawwww!!" Was it Lanois? The first time I heard the song I exclaimed something similar! I'd like to think it was someone in the studio being blown away by Dylan, the song and the performance. It's a great moment; I'd love to know who it was and why they did that!
     
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  20. SlimLee

    SlimLee Active Member

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    Out of interest, what other Lanois-produced albums would you include in that canon?
     
  21. Brian Eno - Apollo Atmospheres & soundtracks
    Peter Gabriel - So
    U2 - The Joshua Tree
    Neville Brothers - Yellow Moon
    Robbie Robertson - Robbie Robertson
    U2 - Achtung Baby
    Emmylou Harris - Wrecking Ball
    Bob Dylan - Time Out Of Mind
     
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  22. matt79rome89

    matt79rome89 Well-Known Member

    I'm confused on why we think this could be related to Gospel Years (BS13) or Rolling Thunder (Scorsese) based on the pictures.
     
  23. posnera

    posnera Forum Resident

    Willie Nelson - Teatro
     
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  24. PJayBe

    PJayBe Forum Resident

    Something from the 30th anniversary concert???
     
  25. Ron Stone

    Ron Stone Offending Member

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    I would also add his own album, ACADIE.
     
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