Bob Dylan: Bootleg Series Vol. 14

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  1. Sean Murdock

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    As Tom Schreck pointed out, it's not unprecedented for Rosen to issue consecutive Bootleg Series releases from the same time period, providing that they would be popular and successful, as BS10, BS11 and BS12 (and Live 1966) all undoubtedly were. I think the more important "rule" for Sony would be to not issue consecutive "era rehab" BS sets that might appeal to a narrower audience. They've done a great job in re-directing the narrative with regards to the Self Portrait period and now the Gospel Years -- but I certainly wouldn't expect Bootleg Series 14: Knocked Out Fully Loaded to get released on the heels of BS13. Another Self Portrait was followed by the slam-dunk Complete Basement Tapes; likewise, I would expect Trouble No More to be followed by more of a crowd-pleaser.
     
  2. NaturalD

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    That makes sense but I am really eager for a 1978 set; hope they keep up the once-a-year schedule so we get there soon enough :)
     
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  3. John Rhett Thomas

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    I agree with all of this.
     
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  4. Mazzy

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    So the artists gets paid rather than bootlegged ? Even Dylan and Co
     
  5. Sean Murdock

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    My caveat, as always: I'll take whatever they give us! Jeff Rosen and his team, despite a few quibbles here and there, have earned my unconditional trust.
     
  6. rstamberg

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    It’s time for the oft-rumored BOOTLEG SERIES installment of the complete BLOOD ON THE TRACKS-era sessions.
     
  7. Sean Murdock

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    I don't think you'll get any push-back on that... :thumbsup:
     
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  8. If there really is going to be a film "revisiting" Rolling Thunder, a box similar in structure to BS13 seems likely for BS14 (to me, anyway). 2 discs of live highlights, 2 discs of "rare and unreleased" with an emphasis on the studio, a "complete" (as in Bob complete) '75 RTR show, a complete '76 RTR show, and a DVD of the new film (which will cannibalize "Renaldo & Clara" and the "Hard Rain" specials).
     
  9. jpmosu

    jpmosu a.k.a. Mr. Jones

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    I'll pre-order this, thank you very much. :)
     
  10. DeeThomaz

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    It's seemed like that was the next one due almost every year since 2013 or so. Eventually Lucy will have to let Charlie Brown kick the football.
     
  11. Mbd77

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    Oh, he's made more money than any bootlegger.

    Besides, he signed a recording contract with the record company to record exclusively for them. Nobody else agreed not to release records by him. Amazing how record companies have managed to distort this over time to use to their legal advantage.
     
  12. stewedandkeefed

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    It would be interesting to see what they have. People in the Dylan camp have suggested they have a lot of Rolling Thunder in high quality and they obviously have, from 1975, Worcester, Cambridge, both Bostons and Montreal in multi-tracks and, for 1976, Fort Worth and Fort Collins. But Trouble No More shows they had lots of tapes taken from the mixing desk using a standard tape deck and are willing to use them. I'd be interested to know if they have much of that from 1975 and 1976 to help flesh out any box set. Obviously some of the stuff that circulates among collectors are tapes that were cassette masters from the mixing desk (eg. Waterbury 1975 - the guy at the desk forgot to flip the tape and it runs out during Ramblin' Jack's set and he doesn't realize his mistake until Bob's third song. At least he did not make that mistake again and got the rest of the night making it the most complete soundboard of a complete RTR show from 1975). I've said this before on other threads but I pray there is a mixing desk tape from Salt Lake City 1976 even if what we end up hearing is disappointing.
     
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  13. bem

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    I simply don't have access to bootlegs, don't know where to get them, and they are cost prohibitive. I need the official releases. Case in point I would never go out of my way to listen to gospel era Bob without the official release. Even if it takes me a few months to get it, I will still be able to have a nice copy of it.
     
  14. bem

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    I really enjoy the Rolling Thunder bootleg set and hope somehow a set like Trouble in mind could be used for blood on the tracks and live shows that year.
     
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  15. revolution_vanderbilt

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    "BS 14: Dylan Under The Covers"

    I concur, simply based on trends so far. And I think BOTT or The Rolling Thunder Revue would qualify as a "slam-dunk" "crowd-pleaser." But after that, what other periods are so popular? What else would be seen as a guaranteed success?

    Similarly, how many more eras really need a "rehab?" I'd say the period post-Infidels through pre-Oh Mercy, and then on a lesser level, Street-Legal and more importantly the proceeding tour.

    Ultimately, however, every set is well put together and rewarding, advertised well, and proves successful. If they made Another Self Portrait work, they can make a volume on any album/period and it's going to move. At this point, they've built an audience, and as long as the pace and quality remain consistent, whatever they choose to focus on next will be welcomed by many.
     
  16. shadow blaster

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    Packaging BOTT together with RTR 75/76 would also havet to include the Desire sessions. That might become too big a bite? It certainly could not include the complete BOTT sessions.
     
  17. Slubberdegullion

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    The window for lavish physical releases must be closing, the demographics of the target group considered, and I'm sure they are planning with this in mind. For me the ideal situation would be warts 'n' all digital releases where curation is unnecessary. All concerts or outtakes from the specified period, and one would be able to buy them all or just selected dates or sessions. Problem is, the target group in this particular case is probably against this business model. In 10 years I'm sure the dust will have have settled, and I doubt CD box sets will be part of the dish of goodies at this point. If physical releases become an uneconomic format, will they continue using the cheaper format of downloads for a dwindling audience?
     
  18. NaturalD

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    I doubt we'll ever see it, but I'd love to see a Bootleg Series covering Bob as a covers artist over his whole career; not just the NET era. The notes in the new set talk about covers the band rehearsed, and we see set lists with titles like We Just Disagree (out on ROIOs, of course). I think a nice set could look at Bob approaching other songwriters' work through his entire career; it could even stop before NET and leave that era for a Part II. And it could mop up a lot of "missing" titles from earlier sets.
     
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  19. Dark Horse 77

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    I think the whole physical releases are disappearing format may happen, but they will still be available, just in more limited quantities a la the late great Hip-O Select.
     
  20. shadow blaster

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    You are probably right, but there may be limited editions in physical format. Vinyl may still be around as a niche product. I can see them creating a fee based streaming service out of the Tulsa archives in the future. Like Neil Young's archive set to go live on Dec 1.
     
  21. Silas Letort

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    Which is a very reason why the labels need to step up their archive release schedule. Not just for Dylan releases but for many, many other artists too. Hardcore fans and collectors will buy these releases almost no matter which formats are used. But that group keeps growing smaller - new fans arrive all the time, but many pass away or find other ways to spend their money. And a lot of people have to carefully consider how they can justify forking out the cash for lavish box sets, and probably many more will too as they reach retirement age. Obviously streaming audio will help somewhat, but the deluxe version of BS13 wasn't released that way (yet). And box sets, especially the kind with multiple alternate takes and live versions aren't particularly suitable for streaming - or digital distribution in general. They add clutter search results, perhaps preventing ordinary fans and others just looking for the version they know well.
     
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  22. Slubberdegullion

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    There are three unknowns as I see it: The future profitability of CD box sets - the interest among millennials and later demographic groups in collecting archive material, outtakes, live recordings etc. - and, in the present case, the interest in buying unreleased recordings by Bob Dylan, an artist who is from an era long before they were even born and who does not say something about them and their lives (to paraphrase Morrissey).

    With regard to the last question, I can only say from my own experience that if you have been bitten by the collector bug, whether or not an artist is from another age than yourself is irrelevant. In the last few years I have spent a huge amount of time and money collecting artists from decades before I was born in 1957. The original Carter Family, Bob Wills & His Texas Playboys, Wade Mainer, Blind Willie McTell and many others. It is not necessarily a matter of the music reflecting my own youth, it is about quality, period.
     
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  23. DeeThomaz

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    In any case, like so many previous recent years, it seems we will get another CD volume in the foreseeable future. Can't pretend to know if another will follow.
     
  24. Mazzy

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    My son is almost 27. He loves music but is not a collector like his dear old dad. Obviously I played him all sorts of music as he was growing up so he was exposed and had access to pretty much everything, but he has no interest in physical product.

    He has a hard drive full of all my 3TB of lossless music plus all that he has collected on his own. When he is interested in new music or achieve stuff like these Dylan sets (but from other artists) he'd never go buy a physical set but would only download what he wants.
     
  25. inaptitude

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    The pressure to release physical versions of all this stuff before all the old fogies die off is an interesting thing. I would say they probably have at least another 5-10 years of CD releases to go before it might no longer be economically to do so. By then we may be at a point where the Bootleg Series is getting close to the bottom of the barrel anyhow.

    As others have mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole Tulsa archives thing is a component to a future where there will be more digital releases (hopefully with a vinyl component). I think the cheap live box set from last year could be seen as their first step away from CD releases (or at least sucking every dollar they can get out of cds before no one is buying them anymore). I know a few people who don't buy cds bought that set as it was pretty cheap.
     
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