Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by KeithH, Dec 23, 2008.
Continuing from here:
let the whining recommence!
Was listening to this again last night, it really is a remarkable release, a true study of a master at work. I just saw this thread inbetween the 30 or so McCartney ones currently infecting the forum like an out of control virus and thought that the rest of the forum can debate it until the cows come home but there is just no way he (Macca) could put out a 3 disc set of rarities recorded that late in his career and hit this level of quality. His day was from '62 to '70 with very occasional highpoints afterwards, but Dylan just keeps on keeping on. Sure there are occasional dips but he always returns strongly. Even when there are perceived career dips, a bunch of outtakes come out and reveal he was as great as ever at that time but was just being contrary and releasing the worst stuff he had while holding back some masterpieces. We are lucky to be able to see a musical artist on a par with Beethoven or Mozart working and perfornming in our lifetimes. People in the 22nd century wont have that luxury as Dylans music with live on (yes, yes, along with The Beatles before the Macca loyal chip in).
There's so many Dylan gems that remain to be officially released. We could be here forever with these bootleg series releases. I wonder what number they'll end up going upto?? I mean, only 8 so far.
I know...from all the anecdotes you read from producers, engineers and musicians he has worked with; he just seems to turn up at recording sessions, quickly run through some decent to average songs then casually out of nowhere he just pulls out a stone classic or two, lays down a killer version then decides "nah ..scrap that, don't like it, let's do this song called 'Wiggle Wiggle'" or something. Unreal!
I'm glad more of the really good songs are getting to go on his recent albums and the lost classics are being retrieved and released more and more often. How Blind Willie McTell got dumped off Infidels ( a pretty good album that lets face it could have been a classic with the material he had in the can at the time) i will never know. Gotta love the contrary old buzzard. Him and Neil Young...what a pair.
OK, Macca loyalist chipping in! Can't say I agree with you about the relative weakness of McCartney's solo career -- he's had some low points, for sure, and the lowest lows were lower than Bob's -- but I'd say that in the last decade Paul's been every bit as masterful at what HE does as Bob has been at what HE does (and let's not forget that they do very different things musically, and really can't be compared). On top of that, in the last 20 years Paul has released 7 studio albums to Bob's 4 (not counting covers albums and Macca's many side projects), so Bob had to release 3 CDs of outtakes just to CATCH UP to McCartney's output.
The merits of Paul's solo albums is debatable, of course, but I agree totally with everything you said about Bob. He is remarkable, and it's amazing that he's not only still PRODUCTIVE at this stage, but EXCELLING at what he does. When you think of most musicians over 65, 99.9% of them have settled into performing their oldies for a living -- and I don't mean just the REAL old-timers like Chuck Berry, but the stars of the Sixties, like the Who, the Doors and Zeppelin. It's absolutely unprecedented for a folk/rock musician to be this vital and still writing original material at almost 70 years old -- and doing so SUCCESSFULLY, both commercially and critically. He's not just releasing new albums on some podunk indie label, selling 5,000 through the Internet -- he's releasing them on Sony and selling millions.
For that same reason, by the way, we should give Macca similar props, especially since he's rescued his own solo career from near irrelevance by releasing three of his best albums in just the past three years. He's old too, and still going strong!
Paul works differently from Bob. Paul knows what he wants, usually, then goes in and works like a dog to get exactly what he wants. I'd be willing to bet that (outside of Cold Cuts) there aren't a lot of Paul outtakes (or at least not interesting ones) cause he just keeps refining and reworking the song in the same tempo, arrangement, etc, tweaking away. (some say he beats the song to death)
Bobby, by all accounts (and some circulating tapes) goes in cold and keeps shifting the song around--totally different tempos, keys, arrangements, instrumentation, etc. that often have no similarity to each other. The cynic would say that he's throwing a lot of **** against the wall, so of course some will stick. But I just think Bobby's muse is just still active after all these years, he's always thinking and searching for different ways to present a song. It's what makes him utterly unique for a musician at his age.
No whining here. This is one of the greatest archival releases I've ever purchased.
Sure, the price is steep for the 3-cd edition, but when you break it down by disc, it's still less expensive than your average DCC gold CD these days.
I don't regret a single penny spent on this set.
I am in the middle of rediscovering Bob's career after giving him quite a rest and it's pretty mindboggling as to the amount of top notch material that he has under his belt. I just bought Tell Tale Signs and that is just proof of how amazing this guy's career truly is. I am especially blown away by the song for Gods And Generals, 'Cross The Green Mountain. Wow, what a haunting, amazing tune!
I would gladly pay a C-note for the 4 LP box set if "it" had the 37 tracks included.
Couldn't they at least made the vinyl LP version a deluxe set by default.....no I guess not.
I just have to bump this old thread. I listened to this set again today and it's just remarkable.. Such high quality stuff. Dylan is a true master.. and this is right up there with the best archival releases you can ever make.
Even more so, for the 3CD set a big thumbs up - especially as I managed to buy it brand new out here in Asia for the equivalent of USD70.00! Yes, a genuine set I know what some people are thinking when I mention asia but this is NOT a knock off.
The packaging is top notch.
victory at last...
Well, it took a few months, but I finally have the deluxe set. Picked up an opened (but virtually untouched) copy from ebay last week for $41, and it arrived in yesterday's mail. Glad to finally have it, but I'm still pretty ticked off at Sony/Bob/whoever thought up that ridiculous extortionist pricing scheme for disc 3, and it's completely superfluous book of picture sleeves...
Hope that doesn't happen again.
I'd *almost* spend $41 for this set. If I hadn't already spent money on the 2-disc edition, then $41 would seem more than fair. But I'm still steamed about that, as you say, extortionist pricing scheme.
Still carrying a grudge, I guess.
Wow! That's the price that that set actually should have been!
I found a used copy of this at Newbury Comics in Cambridge MA tonite, in decent shape, $60....so I bit for it. It was just bugging the devil out of me that there was a disc 3 of stuff out there that I didn't have. I paid too much, I know, but I got weak when I saw it was in decent condition.
Not too much IMO. I haven't seen it any cheaper than that. Plus, it's collectible. Disc 3 is awesome, too. Enjoy!
My book fell apart while reading it the first time.
I enjoy the music though.
Don't be too hard on yourself; it was probably inevitable that you'd be seduced by Disc 3. Just enjoy the music!
I must have got a bargin as i picked my set up for $30 brand new
I got the two-CD set a few months ago, didn't start really getting into it 'til this week. What amazing material! The acoustic Mississippi with Daniel Lanois on guitar and the ripping Everything is Broken are two of my new favorite Dylan tracks. I don't worry about CD three, it will be out there for reasonable money soon enough. But disc one of Tell Tale Signs belongs right beside Blond on Blond and Time Out of Mind among Dylan's best albums.
I have the two-disc set. I'm absolutely amazed how good this is for a bunch of outtakes. I'll even go so far as to say that as of now it's my favorite late career release of his, and I'm a fan of a lot of his late career stuff.
It is a great compilation, one that prompted me to buy all the late era Dylan albums.
Will you be getting the mono box?
Uh-uh—this is Low End Audio country. I graze the cheap racks at Rasputin's, that's my lifeline. I'll be getting more of the Bootleg Series in the used bins, I don't buy new CDs if I can help it. My copy of Tell Tale Signs set me back something like $12, that's what I intend to pay for something from the Bootleg Series or the SACD of Oh Mercy.
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