Bob Dylan: "Trouble No More 1979 - 1981" - The Bootleg Series Vol. 13

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  1. DeeThomaz

    DeeThomaz Senior Member Thread Starter

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    One beef I have with the set is how few covers are included. This period was rich with them (particularly in the "Musical Retrospective" era). But it seems the only ones that made the collection were the "Rise Again" rehearsal and "Let's Begin" from Earl's Court (and quite possibly "Help Me Understand"). They were pretty important to the later concerts, and the Shot of Love sessionography suggests some very enticing prospects.
     
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  2. Tom Schreck

    Tom Schreck Forum Resident

    Oh right. That makes sense! :)
     
  3. DeeThomaz

    DeeThomaz Senior Member Thread Starter

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    Nice to make sense on occasion :D
     
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  4. DeeThomaz

    DeeThomaz Senior Member Thread Starter

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    Really glad we're getting versions of "Ain't Going To Hell For Anybody" from both early and later in the year. It's going to blow some people away how different they are.
     
  5. Sean Murdock

    Sean Murdock Forum Intruder

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    Looking forward to this -- love the song, and I only know the one live version that was on GBS.
     
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  6. DeeThomaz

    DeeThomaz Senior Member Thread Starter

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    Over time, it was almost completely rewritten, only retaining the original chorus and bridge.
     
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  7. jvs52

    jvs52 Forum Resident

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    You guessed it right.
     
  8. DeeThomaz

    DeeThomaz Senior Member Thread Starter

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    I can't get over the incredibly wide range of tape sources were utilized on Disc 1 and 2 (I think it's over 20, but I might have miscounted). That seems to confirm the tours that were recorded in minute detail.
     
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  9. Tribute

    Tribute Senior Member

    I thought I would add to this that my 92 year old mother and I have spent a lifetime getting each other into different musicians and different styles of music. I probably gave her over 500 cassettes (back in the day) and 1,000 CDs, most of which came with her when she moved into my house. She went further than I did in some directions (I never was into the Dead), but she bought me my first Dylan album when it was released (Freewheelin'). My mother has a story that she believes the 19-20 year old Dylan came to our house and had dinner when he was looking for Jack Kerouac (many hitch-hikers did that). She does remember a kid that had a cap, Sounds like Bobby to me. That's all related to us living in Kerouac's last published address and my Mother's friendship with him. That's a story I may have posted before.

    There are many images of Kerouac that I believe have been misidentified (date location). I am pretty sure this was taken at our house.

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  10. John Rhett Thomas

    John Rhett Thomas Forum Resident

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    Let's hope that one day this BS set winds up a sampler for complete and unedited live boxes for the 1979, 1980 and 1981 tours!
     
  11. John Rhett Thomas

    John Rhett Thomas Forum Resident

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    Tribute, your mom sounds way too cool. Tell her I love my mom more than anything but her speed in popular music is Captain & Tennille.
     
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  12. Tribute

    Tribute Senior Member

    At least fame never went to his head, as the hat still fits. My guess is he was balding prematurely.

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  13. revolution_vanderbilt

    revolution_vanderbilt Forum Resident

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    Is it possible that he was the hitch-hiker who came for dinner?
     
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  14. Tribute

    Tribute Senior Member

    Naw! No way. We had someone coming to our door almost every week for several years looking for Jack. Kerouac told my Mom not to tell anyone where he was and not to forward any mail. I met him many times.

    Here is one of the most unusual photos of Jack Kerouac, his enlistment photo, age 21

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  15. Tribute

    Tribute Senior Member

    Another uncommon photo

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  16. stepeanut

    stepeanut The gloves are off

    A rare photo of Jack Caramac, on the road:

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  17. Tribute

    Tribute Senior Member

    As a serious hitch-hiker myself, he is not standing in a good spot, and he has the wrong thumb out, Drivers never give rides to confirmed lefties.

    Maybe in the UK, they hitch that way?
     
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  18. shepherdfan

    shepherdfan Western European Socialist Music Lover

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    Hi Tribute,
    Did you ever know a person whose name was David Stuart (before he changed his name)? I used to be friends with him and his Mom (who had a relationship with Jack-I can't recall if they were married or not). David was a half-brother to the late Jan Kerouac (whom I met a few times). David and his Mom both used to live here in Eugene. His Mom has since passed away. The last I heard, David (I can't remember what he changed his name to) had been living in Bend.
     
  19. posnera

    posnera Forum Resident


    Ok, so "I Will Sing" is on the box as "I Will Love Him" - the dates from GBS and BS13 are off by 1 night, but close enough.
    "The Groom's Still Waiting At The Altar" from GBS4 is definitely different than the Bloomfield version from his box set.

    Looks like there will be at least 15 songs from other official releases and the GBS series.

    My current list:
    OFFICIAL RELEASES
    Caribbean Wind (Biograph / Sidetracks)
    Heart of Mine (Biograph / Sidetracks)
    Trouble In Mind (Pure Dylan: An Intimate Look At Bob Dylan, 2011)
    Let It Be Me (Non-US B-side of Heart Of Mine single, July 1981. Shot Of Love outtake recorded May 1981) - Genuine Bootleg Series 4
    Don't Ever Take Yourself Away
    (Outtake from Shot of Love, Released on “Hawaii Five-O: Original Songs From The Television Series”, 2011)
    Ye Shall Be Changed (Slow Train Outtake; Bootleg Series Vols. 1-3)
    Every Grain of Sand
    (Demo; Bootleg Series Vols. 1-3)
    You Changed My Life (Shot of Love Outtake; Bootleg Series Vols. 1-3)
    Need A Woman
    (Shot of Love Outtake; Bootleg Series Vols. 1-3)
    Angelina (Shot of Love Outtake; Bootleg Series Vols. 1-3)
    The Groom's Still Waiting At the Alter (Live Nov 15, 1980 w/ intro; From His Head To His Heart To His Hands box set)
    Dead Man, Dead Man (Bob Dylan Live 1961-2000: Thirty Nine Years Of Great Concert Performances; Nov 10, 1981 live in New Orleans)

    GENUINE BOOTLEG SERIES (will need to compare to BS13 for possible duplicates)
    Caribbean Wind - Shot Of Love sessions, 3/31/81
    Don't Ever Take Yourself Away - Shot Of Love sessions, 4/23/81
    Magic - SHOT OF LOVE sessions, Clover, LA April 1981
    Heart Of Mine - SHOT OF LOVE sessions, Clover, LA April 1981
    Let’s Keep It Between Us dates from sessions at Rundown Studios in October 1980.
    The Groom’s Still Waiting At The Altar is a rough mix from the May 1981 sessions at Clover Studio

    I will need to add on at least 2 sermons to make my set complete. I've downloaded a few recommended shows and will check them out. I'm open to suggestions for any personal favorites.
     
  20. Tribute

    Tribute Senior Member

    No, but I met Jan Kerouac when she visited my parents on a journey to search out her roots.
     
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  21. Tribute

    Tribute Senior Member

    I hope others can refine this list of session outtakes, demos and rarities, whether officially released or not. Maybe this is complete? (obviously not including circulating audience tapes)
     
  22. posnera

    posnera Forum Resident

    Me too!!
     
  23. dee

    dee Senior Member

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    ASP proved incredibly rewarding and surprising to me in reshaping my understanding of that era of his recordings, though I was not entirely quite not so well-acquainted with it to begin with and neither am I with the Gospel era. Just bits and pieces. Seems like this set may have been painstakingly curated as your observation and information may suggest! That's exciting. I'n not sure if I'm going to like the material on this set as despite how good the band and Bob sound in the first released live track from it, it just may not be something I return much to. Will try to keep an open mind though as much as I can. I did find it interesting to me that upon hearing just that 1 live track from '81 iirc, I seemed to recognize some or more than some of the sound and style of Infidels already seemingly being foreshadowed or becoming entrenched. Just a thought. I'd love for an Empire Burlesque BS set to come out soon tbough. (I know, I know, lol, not real high on the list of what most Dylan fans want!)
     
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  24. Champagne Boot

    Champagne Boot Ain't nothin' gonna break my stride

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    This is so great! We have a family friend whose father was a concert promoter/venue owner who did a lot of folk shows in the early 60s. She distinctly remembers Bob Dylan coming over for dinner when she was a kid (would have probably been '62-63ish?), back when he was just a scruffy kid with a guitar that no one had ever heard of. These artists seemed to really have gotten around and made real contacts with people in the industry--their family stayed in touch with Peter, Paul, and Mary for decades.
     
  25. subtr

    subtr Forum Resident

    I don't think you can get them digitally but there are Slow Train and Gotta Serve Somebody single edits from the time. Trouble in Mind is available on Pure Dylan (complete) or as a single (edited), so you could have two versions of it.
     
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