BRIAN ENO- New reissues double lps 45rpm August 4th

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  1. Jerry James

    Jerry James Rorum Fesident

    I'm curious; has anyone contacted Miles or the label about these issues?
     
  2. Norco74

    Norco74 For the good and the not so good…

    And the most important of all is how you are listening to your music. Some hifi systems could be more reaveling than others.

    Some will also claim that they rather listen to a defective vinyl copy than a digital copy of the same album. To each his own.”

    I don’t think it is ‘madness’ to express your observations (positive or or negative) on this forum. Let’s see what other 33rpm buyers will have to say.
     
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  3. My 33 rpm Eno Records arrive Friday. I’ll report back next week.
     
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  4. Neonbeam

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    Well... I actually don't mind buying a well made reissue. That's not what this post is about. What I do mind is people jazzing up certain albums as "scarce" or "rare" to justify buying a reissue. And since I just happened to be on the world's largest record fair I guess it's valid to post certain observations.

    Oh.... and of course I didn't want BlueSpeedway to have to run this thread alone:whistle:
     
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  5. BlueSpeedway

    BlueSpeedway Curated Iconic Half-Speed Punk

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    My Tiger Mountain 33 wasn’t defective in the sense of the pressing though. It’s what sounds like source tape issues, on the title track and The Great Pretender, as already noticed ages ago by others in reviews of the 45s. None of my observations about Tiger Mountain are new. The 33s are the same masters as the 45s.
     
  6. Classicrock

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    I don't have an original but I found no obvious tape issues on the 45 rpm 'The great Pretender' so it may be pressing issues with the 33 rpm. Suggest try another copy and report back. I also think a lot of reissues are more demanding of a great turntable and cartridge. I remember this was likely the case with the DSOTM 30th Anniv some years ago. So a lot of 'faults' reported aren't necessarily going to be worse on a more revealing system. The poorest reissues I have found were from the 80s such as Nimbus and MFSL titles that got worse the more I upgraded.
     
  7. BlueSpeedway

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    To say one last thing The Great Pretender thing... the static sound on the intro before he starts singing, is of course present to some extent on all previous releases of the song and always has been. It’s part of the treatment done in 1974 on what I think is an early drum machine, or synthetic percussion created by a synth (there’s similar sounding rhythm on the same year’s album by Harmonia, called Musik Von Harmonia). But on the 2017 33rpm (and 45rpm according to earlier posts), it’s beyond what was before part of the intended sound. The intentional EQ and static like treatment now sounds distorted, like the source tape is decayed or has been over brightly EQd. But none of the EQ on the rest of the song or album is bright. In fact, both Jets and Mountain 2017 are less bright than my x2 1970s copies of each. So that makes me think it’s a problem with the Pretender source tape, as that’s certainly the problem with the few seconds dropout period on the title track on the other side. There’s also a sort of jumbled feel to busy parts of say, Mother Whale Eyeless when the female is singing in the middle section, all of which generally makes me think the album source tape is the problem. I don’t believe it has anything to do with sound mastering choices or pressings, which are not the issue when it comes to source tape issues.

    C’est la vie, anyway.

    Viva Eno.

    All mysteries are just more needles in the camel’s (groove)...


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  8. the avant-guvnor

    the avant-guvnor Well-Known Member

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    Yes, read my posts in this thread. Label stated they have had no other complaints, So, it seems that I am the only one to try to contact them.
     
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  9. the avant-guvnor

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    Personally, I do not have any issue with the mix/mastering differences introduced by Miles Showell's processing methods, in these releases.

    However, I could not disagree more with these comments. An audiophile release set of 4 classic albums with a retail price at approx. £100.00, could and should not be this problematic. I used to run a record label, have personally mastered material at Abbey Road Studios and pressed the results to vinyl.

    All that is required is someone (who is familiar with the material) to be attentive and listen to the quality of the test pressings and the final pressings. Something which I believe, was sadly lacking with these releases. It is a real shame when you consider the sound quality of the (clean) 45rpms.

    The issues I have experienced with these release is not something I have experienced with many other audiophile vinyl re-issues I now own.
     
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  10. Classicrock

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    Well I don't have the scratchy sound as described at start of Great Pretender. As for other issues if you describe where they are I will check my copies.
     
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  11. ad180

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    Booking my flight to Berlin now to buy a pink rim Eno record.
     
  12. soundQman

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    Yeah, and I remember when those excellent DSD remasters came out, and I thought why in the world didn't they put them on hybrid SACDs? That would have been swell. In fact, I'd still buy them if they were put out now, but SACD's time has pretty well passed, except for classical music. Come to think of it, Eno's stuff could be considered (neo) classical, especially the ambient and instrumental music.
     
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  13. Jerry James

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    Thanks! I have been following this thread from the start, and seem to have forgotten that when I posed that question, but now I do recall that being addressed earlier on.

    Also; that kinda makes me frustrated, because clearly there are a lot of listeners who purchased these albums at a top dollar price that have issues of various kinds, and yet the label claims no one has contacted them. We've got to be more proactive about this (myself included)! I'm sure we'd all really love to be praising a label/engineer/mastering specialist/etc. about how fantastic of a job they've done on a successful reissue campaign, and when that's the case, I am really eager to spread the word (and tell the label, etc.), but couldn't/shouldn't we do the same when the opposite is true? I think that's the only way we can help to tip the scale towards better quality products in the future.

    I'm not saying that people don't do this, but hopefully more will in the future. Maybe?
     
  14. Neonbeam

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    I wouldn't necessarily recommend Berlin. Try a large record fair:righton:

    BTW: If it would have been "Another Green World" they were selling for 15€ as 2x45 I definitely would have bought it.
     
  15. ad180

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    My point being that sellers at "large record fairs" in America don't have these titles. It's very, very rare that you will find an origianl UK Eno record. Plenty of US-pressed EG or US-pressed Island.
     
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  16. Neonbeam

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    I know. And I never doubted that.
     
  17. Yeah you rarely see them in US stores or shows and if you do they Re $$$$ in good shape. I’ve searched at stores and shows in Austin, Portland, SF and Seattle over the last several years
     
  18. ad180

    ad180 Forum Resident

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    Ok, I guess I’m not sure what your point is then! :)
     
  19. Neonbeam

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    Now we finally have found some common ground :righton:
     
  20. ad180

    ad180 Forum Resident

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    I suppose, but I’d love it if you would enlighten me.
    I’m happy to explain myself if you would like.
     
  21. Neonbeam

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    Look this thing got started when I was writing about some observations I have made on the Utrecht record fair. Which inspired one member to ask me if there were other reissues I wasn't interested in buying and you to suggest flying to Berlin. Now I know that Americans have different ideas about distance but Utrecht is not Berlin. Not even close.

    Any more questions???? :whistle:
     
  22. Jerry James

    Jerry James Rorum Fesident

    I just finished playing the new 33 of "Taking Tiger Mountain...". Here's what I observed: a perfect pressing; no pops, ticks, static or tape dropouts, flat and centered. Sounded great, too. Here's what's in the side A deadwax on my copy: 164345E1/A2 (machine stamped), ENOLP2 (hand written), BH82644-01A (hand written), 10-83838 / 2557951691 - A (machine stamped) and MILES ABBEY ROAD ROOM 30 (hand written). Hope any of this is helpful/useful.
     
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  23. BlueSpeedway

    BlueSpeedway Curated Iconic Half-Speed Punk

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    Please listen again to the title track. If you hear no dropout in the right channel at any point I’ll supply the exact time of the dropout on mine, so we can be sure. Thanks.
     
  24. The good/bad thing about these threads is when a split second aberration is pointed out to you. I totally get why people post these things but I find that 9 out of 10 times, I never notice these split second things until they are pointed out to me. I usually thoroughly enjoy the music without looking for so called glitches

    I guess that's just a part of the hobby on these forums.
     
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  25. BlueSpeedway

    BlueSpeedway Curated Iconic Half-Speed Punk

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    It’s not a split second unnoticeable thing, it doesn’t last long but the right channel drops significantly. Many people choose to, or have to, listen to music on (hopefully good) headphones. It’s noticeable and shoddy. And already noticed by 45rpm listeners way back in the thread.

    Jerry has stated there is no dropout, not that he doesn’t mind the dropout, otherwise I wouldn’t have been interested or responded.
     
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