Brian Jones at the Rock N' Roll Circus

Is this a Brian Jones composition?

 

It's that it sounds like a middling jamband instead of a concise rocking Stones track.

 

They were doing long jam tunes way before MT joined. Goin' Home ..

 

Thought that worked much better than Knockin or Rambler

 

Yeah. But to what use. Those jams were typically one-chord shuffles without any direction. Goin Home are plodding into infinity. Totally different from Rambler and Knockin', were they used the jam as a constructive part of the song.

 

Rumor says it is. Nothing proved. If it is, it's hardly a classic.

 

Yeah, but gotta walk before you can run as they say.

 

I found these two quotes, thought they were interesting:

(Brian is) probably the one I've made most effort to get along with. When the [Beggar's Banquet] sessions started, he came to me and said he didn't think he would be able to contribute much. I didn't push him. I asked Mick what the situation was and Mick said: Look, you can't force him, but he'll be OK. And he was right. When we started working he really got into it and started to get excited, and he apologized to me for having had doubts at the beginning. Brian is very insecure. He has to have people around him all the time - and he has a lot of hang-ups. But when he's doing something that really interests him he's almost a different character. - Jimmy Miller, 1969

I'm very hung-up on electronic music at present. If there is not room to include it on our album [Beggar's Banquet] I would like to do something separately. - Brian Jones, May 1968

 

Not to beat a dead horse, but there is nothing middling about "Can't you hear me knocking", and it is not even close to "jamband".
It is tight musically.
There is not any jamming.
Not at all.
Why judge that the Stones cannot stretch out a song or two ...in 1971.
This song stands alone as is, and it is great Stones.

 

The few times I stayed awake til the end I was unimpressed

 

You seem to have rather conservative standards as to what is acceptable music. And as others have noted you are simply wrong to characterize that lead as jam band material. One song like Knocking is too much for you. Wow.

 

Love when some bands do that stuff. Doesn't really fit the Stones. Detracts from their distinctive greatness. When I listen to the Stones the last thing I want to hear is long solos that have nothing to do with the song.

Fortunately they had good enough sense to only work with someone like MT for less than 10% of their career, and to keep him on a tight rein with limited input when they gave him some cameo spots recently.

 

What an awful point of view. I guess you don't appreciate people with talent playing a musical instrument.

 

Don't appreciate folks that stick out like a sore thumb rather than sounding like part of ensemble. Stones greatness is about a unified sound. Not a lead guy show boating over a backing band.

 

Regarding Brian's playing in the mix of the Circus audio (that is, other than his slide on No Expectations and his maracas on Sympathy), is it any more audible on the 5.1 mix? As I recall the surround mix is essentially just the stereo plus a little ambience in the rear but perhaps some more guitar peeks out on JJF, PW or YCAGWYW in surround...or not.

I'm not able to check at the moment...

Incidentally, if I would love to see an edit of this show including the DVD extras (Taj Mahal, Julius Katchen, circus acts, etc).

 

That's the problem I have with The Taylor Years.
Not as much weaving. That's what was great in
the early years, someone would jump out in front
and take the lead. Unfortunately, as Keith and
others have said, that didn't last long. The weave
years lasted between '62 and '65.

Sometimes the weaving between Richards and Wood
recaptures that old band dynamic.

No weave jokes, thanks.

 

Real shame he wasn't in good shape at that point. Still would've liked to hear the warts-and-all performance of him.

 

I am always in the middle in the Taylor debates. I think on some things he was great and they were at their best , on other things his style hurt their sound. Lets face it Taylor like Jones has a cult within Stones fans. There are plenty of fans of both who get riled up if you don't fall in line with their hero. All in all I think the Taylor years were the best for the Stones but a lot of that has to do with Jagger/Richards song writing at that time. The later decline also mostly had to do with Jagger/Richards songwriting decline.

Members of the Jones cult are more bothersome then members of the Taylor cult to me.

 

To Me I prefer either Wood or Jones with them to Taylor. But not because I thing Wood and Jones are brilliant soloists, jist because they mesh well with Keith and call less attention to themselves.

 

They just played that one song, but did a few takes

 

Oh come on can I do one, please?

 

Also interesting that this song was played there though it wasn't on Beggars Banquet but on the next year's album.
Obviously the song was originally part of Banquet and the band chose to rework the studio version later.

 

When I listen to the Some Girls outtakes, I think that their late 70’s songwriting is almost as great as the Beggars - Exile period. They just didn’t choose the right songs to release (esp on Emotional Rescue).

Anyway, I love these Mick Taylor arguments because I get to post “Travelin Man”. The greatest unreleased music ever.

 

I enjoy Taylor’s playing but based on the visuals of Ladies and Gentlemen, he had all the stage presence of a 1990’s Showgazer.

 

I saw them in 73 at the age of 12, and visually, I thought they were perfect. Mick and Keith all over the place, Wyman and Taylor glued to their spots on stage. The sound of those guitars in the small 6500 seat arena in Hawaii is something I’ll never forget. Taylor’s guitar was really loud in the mix - it just soared.