Brubeck's "Time Out", why no mono mix on CD?

For such a historic and popular jazz record I'm puzzled as to why the mono mix was never released on CD.
Thanks to Columbia we now have the great Miles Davis mono box, so why not Dave Brubeck?

 

As you probably know, the "Kind of Blue" mono tape is lost, so the new mono release was remixed from the 3-track tape, in order to complete the Miles mono box with the most popular Miles album. Maybe it's the same situation for Time Out, recorded the same year.

A new mono mix does not have the same appeal as the original mono mix, even if it is made to sound as close as possible (taking mono LPs as a reference)

 

Great idea. I have needledrops of all of Brubeck's "Time" series in mono, and they sound great.

And while they're at it, they should also re-release the singles in mono. The mono single of "Take Five" is not only a different edit, but also a different mix, with thunderous bass at the beginning.

 

Great question. I would love to see a mono CD done right, like the Miles Davis reissues.

The only mono Time Out CD I have seen is the following European public domain release. As I recall, it was said here to be a needledrop, and like many of these public domain releases, is to be avoided.

http://www.amazon.com/Time-Out-Stereo-Dave-Brubeck/dp/B00BW73I9K/



Note the review on amazon.com. She sounds like a member here.

 

Yes, that mono CD is rubbish. Poor needledrop. I bought it and sent it back.

Imho that review is spot on.

 

On the legalistic side, since the official columbia cd is only stereo, and the release is mono+stereo, could they lift the mono from a LP source and the stereo from a CD instead of a LP? Don't know if Columbia or what else can copyright a mastering... just to understand better these kind of things.

 

Yes, they can do that, and most public domain CD reissues are simply copied from the official CD reissues. The public domain LP reissues are also mastered from CD most of the time, even when a higher resolution source (SACD, download) exists.

A new mastering does not get new copyright protection. Even a new remix (for example the Mark Wilder digital re-creation of the Bitches Brew mix by Teo Macero) would probably not count as a new work and would fall into the public domain at the same time as the original mix.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

 

I think it's a different performance.

 

It is indeed. And frankly, I prefer it to the one that was on the LP.

Was there any attempt to do a stereo mix of this different version?

 

It is?? I didn't know that! Thanks for the info. I did notice that the take itself sounds flawless, but I took it to be just an overly excellent edit. If they recorded a shorter take it means that a single release was in planning all along?

Did it ever make it onto a CD? I mean, the single take is the take that became a big hit, and not the LP take.

 

if memory serves, the actual single version of "take five" made it onto the compilation cd "best of ken burns' jazz" or whatever it was called.

that's what i seem to recall, sitting here at work...

smitquest

 

I saw that a few months ago, suspected it to be what it is - and left it. Not really a shame at all then! My Legacy CD is a nice upgrade of the 70s twofer LP I first had (and still have) - the one 'twinned' with Time Further Out.

I'd love to own a mono CD of this.

 

I have a pretty beat up mono vinyl Time Out. I wouldn't mind at all if properly mastered mono CD came out.

 

I found a reasonably priced decent quality original Columbia CL 1397 '6 eye' mono pressing on eBay a few years ago. Good enough for me. I'm curious, however, about the mono single version.

 

The Mono single version of "Take Five" is a different performance than the LP version and is much shorter than the Stereo LP mix. My favorite mastering is on this disc:

http://acerecords.co.uk/the-golden-age-of-american-popular-music-the-jazz-hits

Bob

 

Yeah, I think that's correct.

 

It is also available on the Best of Ken Burns Jazz as mentioned and on the Jazz Masterpieces Soundtrack of a century comp.

 

In high school I was in jazz band and the sax player played Desmond's LP solo note for note every time we played "Take Five," so I have it memorized and noticed the single has a different solo (although with some of the same ideas).

 

To be clear, is the "single edit" that folks are referring to in mono and a different recording than the stereo version or simply an edit of the standard stereo version? Some posts state "single edit" without mentioning stereo or mono.

 

The Mono single version is a different and shorter recording than the Stereo LP mix. The single was popular in 1961, two years after the album was released in 1959.

Bob

 

I suppose they were recorded at the same time? I haven't found the short take mentioned in any discography.

 

I bought the mono/stereo public domain disc purely for the mono mix, and replaced the "stereo" disc with the official Columbia CD.

 

I do not know the recording session date for the single version. Only that it was recorded 1959, released as a single in 1959 and re-released as a single in 1961 when it became a hit, largely via juke box play.

Bob