Bruce Springsteen BORN TO RUN, final comparison of 3 CBS/Columbia CD versions by SH..

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Steve Hoffman, Dec 23, 2011.

  1. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    #3 was less bright on my setup than #1. Haven't heard #2 - yet.
     
  2. steeler1979

    steeler1979 Darren from Nashville

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    No problem!
     
  3. Fortune

    Fortune Senior Member

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    If that's the case then your CD player isn't de-emphasizing the CD. Mastering #1 is WAY less bright than #3.
     
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  4. -Ben

    -Ben Senior Member

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    :agree:
     
  5. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    I had to make a backup a few years back, as my copy was all scratched up. Maybe I didn't burn it properly? Using EAC, I can set the pre-emphasis flags without a cue sheet, correct? If so, can someone please remind me how to do that?
     
  6. steeler1979

    steeler1979 Darren from Nashville

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    I bet you right now it's mastering 2 :agree:
     
  7. -Ben

    -Ben Senior Member

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    I'm afraid Keith won't bet with you. :shh:

    He already found out on his own. See post #38
     
  8. steeler1979

    steeler1979 Darren from Nashville

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    :D yeah I found that post after I posted mine. :agree:
     
  9. mark f.

    mark f. Senior Member

    Ben, if you want to keep adding to the list "...31A4" is the matrix of the CD I have and it is mastering #2 as well. Has all the other markings of the other CDs in the list.

    I have a "....21B17" that is mastering #3.

    As I said before the only obvious distinction between the two CDs is that lack of "Now Made in the USA" on the CD that is mastering #2. Otherwise they look exactly the same.
     
  10. -Ben

    -Ben Senior Member

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    OK, you talked me into it... :laugh:
     
  11. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    It seems that the A (rather than the B) in that last cluster of numbers in the matrix is also an identifying factor. The ones Ben lists as #2 all have an A, while the #3's all have a B - just like yours.
     
  12. steeler1979

    steeler1979 Darren from Nashville

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    I don't want to bog Steve down with stupid stuff, but I'd love to hear his impressions and preferences for Pink Floyd's WYWH and DSOTM :agree:

    Oh well, back to Born To Run! :D
     
  13. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    I still think mastering #2 could be the least common of the three. It's either mastering #1 or #2. Mastering #3 is common as dirt.
     
  14. steeler1979

    steeler1979 Darren from Nashville

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    You would certainly know buddy. I've ran into a few of the #2, but maybe I'm just lucky in that regard. It certainly won't be common anymore, if it ever was! :D
     
  15. -Ben

    -Ben Senior Member

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    I have added a few more with mastering confirmed by EAC levels:

    1. EAC levels : 60.5, 75.3, 52.2, etc. EAC time: 39:36:00
    Most have 35DP-21 in the matrix and should have pre-emphasis.
    -Original Japanese issue with catalog number 35DP 21.
    -Japan-for-U.S. pressing with catalog number CK 33795, Matrix 35DP-21 41A2
    -Japan-for-U.S. pressing with catalog number CK 33795, Matrix 35DP-21 41A6
    -Japan-for-Europe pressing with catalog number CDCBS 80959.
    -Japan Matrix: "CSR COMPACT DISC" three times around the hub.

    2. EAC levels: 73.4, 89.4, 69.8, etc. EAC time: 39:34:07
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 21A3
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 31A1
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 31A4

    3. EAC levels: 93.5, 99.9, 86.4, etc. EAC time: 39:28:20
    Japan 32DP
    Japan 25DP
    Made in Switzerland Matrix 33 795 1124 263 01
    Made in Japan by JVC Matrix: CK-33795-V1E23
    Made in USA by JVC Matrix: CK-33795-V1E51
    Made in USA Matrix 1A CK33795 15B
    Made in USA Matrix 1A CK33795 17 B2
    Made in USA Matrix DIDP 050021 3
    Made in USA Matrix DIDP 050021 4
    Made in USA Matrix DIDP 050021 -05
    Made in USA Matrix DIDP 050021 -06
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 21B1
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 21B10
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 21B17
     
  16. steeler1979

    steeler1979 Darren from Nashville

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    The matrix on my mastering two is "DIDP 50021 21A2"

    Thanks for sorting through all of this Ben, you are truly awesome dude.
     
  17. -Ben

    -Ben Senior Member

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    I completely agree with Keith.

    In two plus years of gathering data only three (now four) mastering #2 have been reported.

    My guess is Mastering #2 was a short-lived secret remaster that lasted very little. Mastering #3 became the only approved version until the gold mastersound in the early 90s.
     
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  18. -Ben

    -Ben Senior Member

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    Thank you.

    I'll add it up.
     
  19. -Ben

    -Ben Senior Member

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    I have added a few more with mastering confirmed by EAC levels:

    1. EAC levels : 60.5, 75.3, 52.2, etc. EAC time: 39:36:00
    Most have 35DP-21 in the matrix and should have pre-emphasis.
    -Original Japanese issue with catalog number 35DP 21.
    -Japan-for-U.S. pressing with catalog number CK 33795, Matrix 35DP-21 41A2
    -Japan-for-U.S. pressing with catalog number CK 33795, Matrix 35DP-21 41A6
    -Japan-for-Europe pressing with catalog number CDCBS 80959.
    -Japan Matrix: "CSR COMPACT DISC" three times around the hub.

    2. EAC levels: 73.4, 89.4, 69.8, etc. EAC time: 39:34:07
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 21A2
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 21A3
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 31A1
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 31A4

    3. EAC levels: 93.5, 99.9, 86.4, etc. EAC time: 39:28:20
    Japan 32DP
    Japan 25DP
    Made in Switzerland Matrix 33 795 1124 263 01
    Made in Japan by JVC Matrix: CK-33795-V1E23
    Made in USA by JVC Matrix: CK-33795-V1E51
    Made in USA Matrix 1A CK33795 15B
    Made in USA Matrix 1A CK33795 17 B2
    Made in USA Matrix DIDP 050021 3
    Made in USA Matrix DIDP 050021 4
    Made in USA Matrix DIDP 050021 -05
    Made in USA Matrix DIDP 050021 -06
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 21B1
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 21B10
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 21B17

    In the old days when I was a gort I could delete previous updates. Now I can't. :winkgrin:
     
  20. SonicZone

    SonicZone Senior Member

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    Ben, here's one more Mastering 2 variant for your list:

    Mine has DIDP 50021 31A7 in the matrix.

    Everything else matches for that mastering (EAC levels, 39:34:07 total, Made In U.S.A/DADC in hub, etc.).
     
  21. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    Aw! Now the #2 version is gonna be scarce.
     
  22. agentalbert

    agentalbert Senior Member

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    Hey, that's five now. Maybe there will be enough of these to go around afterall.

    I still doubt it. It's funny some of the responses from Ebay sellers, who have clearly been asked this question about ten times all of a sudden within a day.

    Here's a response I got from one:

    "no i am sorry but you have asked me about 5 or 6 questions about this item and i can not help you i am sorry i answered your question to the best of my ability sorry"
    Ha! I only wrote this guy once, but some of the rest of you have written him too, apparently.

    And then there is this:

    "Greetings, Thank you for your interest in this cd. I have been asked the same question about this cd by 3 other ebayers in the last 24 hours which leads me to be believe this cd could be more valuable than I'm currently aware of. So until I can find out the proper information & value I have chosen to un-list it"

    I wonder if the Google searches these sellers are doing to try and figure out why the hell we are asking for matrix codes will bring them here. I guess if Ebay sellers get an education in matrix codes and start putting them in their listings, it could be a good thing.
     
  23. Adam9

    Adam9 Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй.

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    Toronto, Canada
    Thanks, Ben. Now I know I have Mastering #1 so I'll have to track down #2 to see what all of the fuss is about!
     
  24. -Ben

    -Ben Senior Member

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    Washington DC Area



    I have added the pressing above with mastering confirmed by EAC levels:

    1. EAC levels : 60.5, 75.3, 52.2, etc. EAC time: 39:36:00
    Most have 35DP-21 in the matrix and should have pre-emphasis.
    -Original Japanese issue with catalog number 35DP 21.
    -Japan-for-U.S. pressing with catalog number CK 33795, Matrix 35DP-21 41A2
    -Japan-for-U.S. pressing with catalog number CK 33795, Matrix 35DP-21 41A6
    -Japan-for-Europe pressing with catalog number CDCBS 80959.
    -Japan Matrix: "CSR COMPACT DISC" three times around the hub.

    2. EAC levels: 73.4, 89.4, 69.8, etc. EAC time: 39:34:07
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 21A2
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 21A3
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 31A1
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 31A4
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 31A7

    3. EAC levels: 93.5, 99.9, 86.4, etc. EAC time: 39:28:20
    Japan 32DP
    Japan 25DP
    Made in Switzerland Matrix 33 795 1124 263 01
    Made in Japan by JVC Matrix: CK-33795-V1E23
    Made in USA by JVC Matrix: CK-33795-V1E51
    Made in USA Matrix 1A CK33795 15B
    Made in USA Matrix 1A CK33795 17 B2
    Made in USA Matrix DIDP 050021 3
    Made in USA Matrix DIDP 050021 4
    Made in USA Matrix DIDP 050021 -05
    Made in USA Matrix DIDP 050021 -06
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 21B1
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 21B10
    Made in USA by Digital Audio Corp Matrix: DIDP 50021 21B17
     
  25. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    Where else would the search take them? Where else do you get a bunch of crazies talking such nonsense?

    :D
     
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