Cable impedence, etc.

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Adam, Aug 1, 2003.

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  1. Adam

    Adam Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    OK, so in my research I came across this item on ebay:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3037847182&category=33205

    They talk about the importance of crimping the RCA connectors as opposed to soldering, and the 75 ohm impedence mismatch with 25 ohm RCA connector problems. Is this for real?

    On the surface, these look like a good way to go, but I don't really know how much is hype. THANKS!

    Adam
     
  2. sgb

    sgb Senior Member

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    Yes, but only if you plan to use it in a digital connection.
     
  3. Clay

    Clay Forum Resident

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    75 ohm cables are for video, pcm and digital.

    Wonder if the Grover cables are soldered or crimped? Both ways work

    So how do you measure the cable's impedance? Ohm meter from one end to the other?
     
  4. sgb

    sgb Senior Member

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    Canare is a quality company.
     
  5. cosmikdebris

    cosmikdebris Forum Resident

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  6. Nope, that would only be DC Resistance, which would normally read a couple ohms or so depending on how long a cabble you have.

    Impedance is frequency dependent.

    I have always wondered at what frequency or frequencies a cable is rated at 75 Ohms, and even more so how a solid metal device like a connector can effect the overall value.

    Clay is also correct in that for audio purposes, a cable need not be 75 ohm. The frequencies involed are way too low to matter.

    BGL
     
  7. Gerry

    Gerry New Member

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    From an article titled "Characteristic Impedance of Cables at High and Low Frequencies" on the Belden website at http://bwcecom.belden.com/college/college.htm

    "Theoretical Definition of Characteristic Impedance

    For the moment, imagine that a cable has infinite length. Application of an alternating voltage to this infinitely long cable would allow a measurement of current and calculation of impedance (both magnitude and phase). Of course, there is no such thing as an infinitely long cable. The concept is introduced to promote the idea of a cable which is so long that the signal never gets to the far end. The impedance measurement in this case would yield the impedance of the cable itself, or its characteristic impedance, and not the combination of the cable impedance plus the effect of conditions at the far end. The phase angle would be zero or negative (between 0 and -45o). Recalling circuit theory, a negative phase angle indicates that at the specific frequency at which the measurements were taken, the cable resembles a capacitor with a resistor in series.

    Calculations of an equivalent capacitor and resistor to replace the infinitely long cable could be made. Replacement of the cable in the test circuit by these two components and application of the test voltage would result in the identical current and phase angle as observed when using the cable. As long as the frequency of the applied AC voltage does not change, impedance measurements would be identical for both the capacitor-resistor combination and the infinitely long cable.

    If the infinitely long cable is cut to some finite length and the far end of this cable is connected to a capacitor-resistor combination which is assembled and found to be equal to the characteristic impedance, an astounding discovery is made. The impedance measured looking into the cable which is terminated at the far end with its matching characteristic impedance (the capacitor-resistor combination) is still the same as it was for the infinitely long cable! Cut the cable to any length and if the termination at the far end is unchanged and the frequency is unchanged, no difference in the measured impedance will be noticed."

    So characteristic impedance is useful in systems where the frequency is specified like digital audio/video or RF, allowing components to be designed with much less concern about the cable lengths connecting them. It doesn't really mean anything when used without a specified signal frequency as in analog audio.
     
  8. Tony Plachy

    Tony Plachy Senior Member

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    The connector does not effect the value of the impedance away from the connector but it can really effect it close to the connector because to make the connection the outer shield is distorted to attach it to the outer shield of the connector, dialectic is stripped to attach the inner lead(s) to the inner pin of the connector. One of the best connectors that does the least to alter the impedance is a BNC connector that is often used on pro equipment.
     
  9. Richard Feirstein

    Richard Feirstein New Member

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    Impedance values can also impace the frequency response of low level phono circuits with certain phono cartridges connected to frequency shaped pre-amps.

    Richard.
     
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