Can't we stop the Beatles catalog from getting hacked up??

Re: Beatles Remastered

If this is true, I will fly out to Seattle and kiss yer butt!!!!!!

 

Very insteresting! My guess is next year at the earliest. Unless Apple plans on including a DVD-A with (hopefully) this year's re-release of Let It Be.

 

Re: Re: Beatles Remastered

Wow Dave talk about a terrorist attack You sure you don't want to rephrase that one!

Hey Rocknron, he's just kidding I THINK!!!!!!

 

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Yes, I am....but I would be very happy if this turns out to be true!

 

Re: Beatles Remastered

Grumble, grumble, and MORE grumble!

 

Re: Re: Beatles Remastered

Grant Grumble will be back with MORE news after we cool him off folks!

 

My response to no SACD is the same as Grants.

Do different people/companies own the rights to the Beatles and The Stones? If not, what the....!

 

Yes...

The Beatles and The Stones are on very different labels/companies, and always have been.

Joel

 

Not quite sure what you're on about here. If you're referring to the Yellow Submarine **DVD**, most agreed that the surround mixes were quite good (and that was done in 1999 and in Dolby Digital 5.1). Then there was the recent Anthology **DVD** release that had exquisite 5.1 mixes in DTS. Now, the SURROUND possibilities with either DVD-Audio or SACD would be even better.

If you don't like surround, just say so. For an audiophile (I'm guessing), the ultimate would be an SACD containing original stereo and mono mixes on one disc. Well, it just ain't gonna happen. In order to sell and generate a lot of press, the Beatle releases will have to be "revolutionary" (i.e. something to make a lot of people re-purchase these albums). Number One is surround sound. Number two might be the inclusion of additional visual material (DVD-Audio discs that are also DVD-Video friendly). My prediction is for DVD-Audio discs of the individual albums with 2-channel DVD-A, 5.1 DVD-A, 5.1 DTS, (maybe) Dolby Digital 5.1 and 2.0, lyrics and visual material (either photos or (less likely) video). Finally, the albums will also be "remastered" and released (in stereo for all albums, including the first four) as redbook CD's.

Cliff

 

Who knows. Since Lewisohn's remarks are a year old, I wouldn't take it too seriously. And since they'd probably won't release anything for another year or 2 or 3 ... ya just don't know what format they'll use.

 

I will do my best to NOT get into a DVD-A vs SACD pissing match, but if you want hi rez mono+hir rez stereo+5.1+rarities/out-takes+video.....ya gotta go DVD-A!

 

Right, sorry. EMI/London and Apple/Parlaphone, I should have known.

 

Correct. But with all the praise heaped on the surround mixes from the Anthology DVD's (and you know that it got back to the folks at Apple), the Beatles are likely to go for the biggest market penetration. And that, folks, is a DVD-Audio disc with DVD-Video compatible surround mixes (not a hybrid SACD with a non-surround redbook layer included).

Personally, I'd prefer a SACD release but I'm also very happy with my DVD-A releases (and upcoming releases). So my advice would be, for the SACD-only owners that are grumbling, just get a DVD-A player (or else you stand to miss out on a lot of great music, including the ultimate Holy Grail, The Beatles). Of course, if you disdain surround, then the point is moot.

Cliff

 

(Fonzie voice on) CORRECTIMUNDO (Fonzie voice off)

Cliff

 

sensing with great trepidation a surround vs non surround battle!

 

LOL! The 5.1 folks have the upper hand since they have more speakers to throw at you!

 

Actually, I was thinking more EMI/Parlophone/Apple and Decca/London/ABKCO/Virgin.

But...continue on with the thread already in progress...

Joel

 

Actually, us 5.1 folks have the upper hand of having the mass market with us (in the case of a major scuffle) plus the fact that we can blend in with the "2-channel only" folks (because we like that too). The "2-channel only" folks are easily recognisable because of the very noticable muttering of "I ....... HATE ......SURROUND ........" (usually alternated with "I ....... HATE ........ DVD-AUDIO ......" )

Cliff

 

ex-nay on the surround-ay talk-ay!!!!!!

 

I was grumbling because I do not like the idea of remixing the Beatles, nor do I want it.

 

Personally, I'm into 5.0 surround - I have no use for a subwoofer.

P.S. - Grant - too late - the cat is out of the bag.

 

There's very little chance of Apple/EMI remastering the Beatles back catalog in a way that will satisfy the audiophile purist .

However, can Apple/EMI be to blame for this? I don't know any major label that puts out back catalog material with the care and attention seen in the DCC gold CD series (the LPs weren't too bad either ). This level of commitment can only come from a small label with relatively little turnover of new product.

What we should be hoping for is the licensing of the Beatles material (mono & stereo) to an audiophile specialist label. Apple can put out the normal "modern" sounding (ie compressed/re-mixed etc... ) re-issues for the masses and leave the small label to supply well mastered re-issues of the original mixes to the small customer base looking for that extra quality and faithfulness to the original sound that most people aren't interested in.

The fact that the Beatles catalog was licensed to MFSL for LP release, and that both Paul and Ringo have had the DCC treatment, not forgetting Lennon on MFSL (has George ever been given the audiophile treatment?) - maybe this is something that is not beyond the realm of possibility. It would help if we knew why DCC were denied the Beatles catalog at the last minute (no pressure Steve ) - this is the thing that gives me doubts as to the likelihood of seeing Beatles releases licensed out in the near future.

So, for me, getting Apple to allow a third party to release a limited run of audiophile Beatles SACDs is the goal.

Steve, given your experience in dealing with Apple, do you think this is likely to ever happen or is it just a pipe-dream?

 

The audiophile "purist" has probably had all the stereo and mono versions of the back catalogue that they are going to get. After all, how many versions of the same old thing are required before monophiles and sterophiles are satiated? Sure, that's what we all aim for, perfection. I used to be one of these until I discovered hi-rez surround. What we need is to take the newly done surround versions of Revolver, Sgt Pepper and Abbey Road etc etc and release them in DVD-A or SACD. Sure, add the stereo version in hi-rez as well for those that don't like it. For myself, I have enough mono and stereo versions of these titles. It's 2003, I want more, not just the same old re-releases.

 

I am holding off on chosing a hi-rez player until the Beatles discs are released. They will make the format choice for me.

I thought the surround mixes for the Anthology were fantastic & look forward to the entire catalog - but I will be upset if that is all that is available as is the case with Lennons catalog.

-BZync