Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Mark, May 4, 2012.
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This thread should be in the music forum, because if the CD format was really abandonned (I don't think it will happen in the next 6-10 years), using different music playback hardware will be the least change.
The absence of a physical format will change the way music will be sold. Currently, downloads are just duplicates of the CD albums (with the additional possibility to buy songs individually), but if there are no more CDs, why should artists continue to release hour-long albums of a dozen songs? They can release entire concerts just days after the performance (instead of a CD compiled from a whole tour), and studio recordings of individual songs as soon as they are completed, without having to gather an album full of new songs.
This will be a nightmare for collectors, but not necessarily bad for the music itself. However, the needs of music marketing and the habits of music buyers could also mean that the business sticks to the album concept for a longer time.
I don't see ACE, BGO, Bear Family, Now Sounds, Audio Fidelity, Mobile Fidelity, RPM, Analogue Productions...etc getting out of the cd or SACD business. Maybe it reflects the type of music being sold that Seventeen can't sell cds?
First of all, what's with the "Stop"? seventeen can't express an opinion?
Second, between the two of you, which one depends on music sales to put food on the table? Regardless of what your opinion is, I should think you would have at least some respect for the opinion of someone who is actually in the business of selling vinyl AND CD's. Again, I submit that if CD's were trouncing vinyl LP's in seventeen's shop, he would say, "Yay!" and press more CD's. Agendas don't keep shop doors open.
The CD was never intended to compete with vinyl on fidelity. It was intended to compete with the cassette tape on convenience (portability, durability, use in vehicles, etc.) And it successfully killed the cassette. But now has been all but obliterated on convenience by compressed digital.
My day job is with an well-known Tier 1 supplier of automotive OEM infotainment and navigation systems. Nothing we are currently launching or have in development features a CD or DVD player. Internet streaming services and iPod/USB ports have rendered them obsolete, like the in-dash cassette player that came before.
That's very revisionist.
In 1983, the hifi press almost unanimously hailed the CD as a new milestone for audio quality.
In the early 80's all the big classical labels changed to digital recording (16/44 or 16/50 at best), and this wasn't for convenience, but because they thought the sound quality was superior to analogue tape.
That may be hard to believe today when it's mainstream thinking that CD quality is low end, but back then 16/44 PCM was considered state of the art.
Are cd sales dropping? Yes, no doubt about it. Will production of cds stop? Yes, eventually. However, the idea that buyers are going to flock back to vinyl is nonsense. I have many friends who don't buy cds anymore, and don't even have a cd player in their car or home. Not one has gone back to vinyl or has purchased a turntable. They've moved on to I-Pods, mp3s, I-Tunes, and the "Cloud". All physical music & video, be it a cd, cassette, vinyl, blu ray, or dvd will become a "niche" format at some point.
interesting thought... are there any in-dash devices that can stream my cloud collection (itunes, amazon, etc) yet? If we're talking convenience, this is the way to go, so I don't have to plug my phone into an adapter in the car...
Intoducing... the Compact Disc ...or Compact Disc swan song.
There's being revisionist, and then there's talking out of your arse! Mainstream thinking that CD quality is low end? Haha. Very good. Bravo! The majority don't like vinyl because it suffers from audible degradation, and couldn't tell the difference in quality between a CD and a 24/96 audio file. If there continues to be a demand for music on a physical format, it is going to still be on CD.. vinyl has been partially revived purely as a collectors item, it isn't a substantial rise in sales and won't be "hip" for long.
A person satisfied to listen to music via an IPod, mp3s and such is not the person who would seek out vinyl. The debate over vinyl has always been about sound quality, the visceral experience, the readable liner notes. What would motivate a person who is satisfied with digitally compressed music to be interested in vinyl?
The argument that CDs were marketed for their convenience alone is ludicrous to me. Surely convenience is relevant, but sound quality was also significant.
One nice feature of this ongoing hand wringing about the demise of the compact disc is that they are finally being priced competitively.
It's mainstream among vinyl and hi-rez fans, who think that an LP on a $100 turntable and a SACD in a $150 SACD player sounds better than any CD player.
In the 80's almost everybody thought CD was the superior sounding format, and now many people no longer admit what they believed back then.
This has been going on for years now. It's absolutely FANTASTIC for music! To be able to download a song literally minutes after an artist completes it... That's a beautiful thing.
Good riddance to bloated, over-long albums. I think the perfect length of a 'musical experience' is 4-5 songs. No more than 20 minutes. By then it's time to move on to another artist.
Why wouldn't an mp3 listener also be interested in vinyl? Or any other medium?
Don't be elitist. I do 99% of my listening via mp3 these days. I also own well over 1000 cds and somewhere around 5-600 lps. I like the experience and nostalgia that vinyl collecting elicits. I like being able to listen to 100% of my collection at a moments notice more.
I worked in record stores for nearly 15 years. I haven't visited a b&m store for maybe 2 years now. Don't really miss it either. I'm well content with music files these days.
Very true. On the one hand, the apparently huge success of $5 CD bins at Best Buy, Walmart, etc. suggests that the record labels really are trying to get rid of their stock, maybe once and for all. On the other hand, THERE ARE $5 CD BINS AT BEST BUY AND WALMART! Hooray!
My dealer here in Ireland told me yesterday when I popped into the store that Meridian had just e-mailed to say they would no longer be manufacturing CD players. Classe also are not producing CD players.
CD sales are dropping, but so are the sales of every other format. Downloads included! That's what all of these articles fail to mention. It's cherry picking the facts.
Yep, CD-only players are on their way out, but that doesn't mean a lot.
CD-compatible players will be made in the next 50 years, because even when no new CDs are being released, there will still be CD collections that are being played.
Wasnt another reason classical embraced the format because it was longer in time length than vinyl?...
I take it you're not a fan of Classical, Jazz, or Prog then?
All kidding aside, I agree with most all of what you said with regards to the benefits of using files rather than physical media.
However, I'll continue shunning downloads in favor of CDs for as long as I can. With CDs, I get the best of all worlds. I can play with physical media/artwork/liner notes/etc. if I want, or I can rip to my heart's content to any format/bitrate I desire, store it anywhere I want (HD or cloud), and enjoy the benefits of having my entire collection literally at my fingertips. The only disadvantage I can think of with CDs is the need for storage space, but that's not a big deal if done efficiently.
True, that's why CD sales are only a part of the data. The bigger piece is comparing the sales of all formats. Downloads surpassed CDs this past year in market share. Vinyl doesn't even register. Moreover, downloads have been taking greater market share each year, this is a trend. The trend shows no signs of reversing. The stores and labels appear to be supporting the digital formats. All this taken together spells trouble for the CD as a viable, current format. End of 2012, unlikely (it still has half the market). End of 2014, I can see it.
What's telling is that it's still relatively easy to obtain albums in CD from Indie artists. Why is it telling? For 2 reasons. #1 - these titles aren't originating from the major labels. #2 - these originate from artists that would seem to appeal more to those who download music, rather than feel the need to have it in physical form.
The difference is that the channels are different. The big box retailers, namely Best Buy, are dwindling their stock and placing more emphasis on new releases and chart toppers. Now, it might require a special order from your local shop or through Amazon marketplace.
I don't disagree, but the thread title is about major labels, not specialty labels.
1st generation usually requires smart phone with data plan connected via USB as the in-vehicle internet conduit. Next gen will have embedded modem. But it's the OEMs themselves (Ford, Toyota, et. al.) who will control what sites can be accessed. Music services are a no-brainer. Wide-open internet is unlikely.
The entire industry is in trouble if you look at the numbers. Sales have fallen drastically for every format. Downloads just haven't dropped as much as CDs.
Soon enough, there won't be anything but Indie labels if there are any at all.
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