Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by jgreen, Jul 11, 2012.
How many times can you copy CDR to CDR to CDR before there is a techknical sound degration?
none if copying through digital means, some if copying using a mikrafone.
x2 on "It Depends".
Ideally there will be no data loss at all, regardless of how many copies of a copy you make. However, depending on your hardware and software it's possible that data errors could creep in. In other words, statistically speaking there's a greater likelihood of errors over time, the more burns you do.
When I used to burn DVDRs, I used a tool called dvdinfopro to verify my burn. If there were any errors, I'd toss the disc and re-try and this would happen a few times for every 100 discs I had, even TY brand. With the crappy brands the errors were usually much higher.
I believe Nero has a verification tool as well, if memory serves. That's what I would watch out for, if your CDRs are really important to you.
Slightly off topic here, I wish to say to anyone considering on using TDK Gold CDRs. I have 1000s of archive CDRs and the one brand that is going down the toilet more than others is TDK. Absolutely avoid TDK if you want to archive your music as I do.
i would suggest using Taiyo Yuden discs from JVC.
Just curious, do you know how the spell checker works? Sorry not trying to bust your balls about it...but
Mine disapeared and I can't get it back.
I wasnt sure if it was lack of spell checker or Generational lose from techknical degration.
I have 2 reams of them now.
forever and ever and then some...
picked up a half dozen JVC 50 packs for 3 bucks a piece at a closeout in our local supermarket...
Theoretically? None. Techknical? Hmmmmm...
Can a gort fix the thread title? It hurts my eyes.
There's some around here that believe copying a CD to CDR actually improves the sound. Go figure...
Well, there's no use using a verification tool. You're just copying data if you rip the tracks, and the brand of blank should have no bearing on the results, unless the data is corrupt. If you are going through some conversion stage when copying, you will have a change in sound.
Now, the sound may be a different story. Some claim to hear a difference in sound because of the variables. I'll leave that argument up to you guys. It's something that has been argued to death here.
That's why I don't care to get into it. Too many opinions all around. I'll let you guys get the thread shut down.
Interesting you should mention TDK. I just got a new spindle and out of the 15 I've burned, I have thrown a way 3. I always try and burn at the slowest speed to get less errors.
...and what's the name of your supermarket? I must shop there...
I laughed so hard milk shot out my nose...and I'm not even drinking milk.
Tried that back in the days - i'm talking 1999 - making subsequent copies to CDR and CDRW of a disc, Disk At Once mode. I was a beta-tester for CD burning software. Mixed blanks used, cdr burned at 4x, rw at 2x (these were the speeds back in time!).
Specifically, in the test i've ran, there were 10 generation of discs
1) original (pressed)
2) cdr1 copy from original
3) cdrw1 copy from cdr1
4) cdr2 copy from cdrw1
5) cdrw2 copy from cdr2
6) cdr3 copy from cdrw2
7) cdrw3 copy from cdr3
8) cdr4 copy from cdrw3
9) cdrw4 copy from cdr4
10) cdr5 copy from cdrw4
Ripped both both Original and cdr5 on hard drive, loaded both into Cool Edit Pro, made a inverted sum: nullified perfectly.
So, if you make the program behave correctly and have a decent drive, you can go on without problem on many generation copies without any loss.
youze you're eeers
Not to go into a discussion over Analog Versus Digital, but I think your experiment goes to show at least why many like the repeatability and lack of degradation digital provides. Sure it may not be perfect under a microscope, but within the bounds of its operating system it is "Perfect sound forever". I always took that phrase to mean that it will play back the same exact way every time, no matter what.
If you are looking to archive your music collection, you might look into MAM-A, either their silver or gold media should last the rest of your life.
If you plan to pass your music collection down generation by generation, you might look at the new M-DISC format.
I wouldn't use CD-Rs to archive a collection, because it takes a lot of time, it's expensive, and it's not the safest backup. CD-Rs are now more of a playback medium for those who don't have a file player.
Better rip the CDs, compress them with FLAC and archive them on a redundant hard disc backup (every file is saved on two independent hard drives), or burn the FLAC albums to data DVD-Rs (10-20 albums per disc in CD resolution).
The old Texas vs Missouri bad spelling competition rivalry: gotta love it. Yankees/Red Sox is the only fiercer rivalry.
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