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  1. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    Now playing the following CD, which arrived from across the pond a few months ago for a first listen ...

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    I finally got all the Schnabel's Beethoven Piano Concertos which I did not get a few years ago when I acquired all of his Beethoven Piano Sonatas on Naxos Historical
     
  2. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    Not long ago finished transferring and editing all my Schnabel Beethoven concerto recordings, being the full set with Sargent and the two remakes (nos. 4 and 5) with Stock and the CSO from the early '40s. Schnabel did most of them yet again some years later with Issay Dobrowen, but I neither have nor have heard any from that series. My copy of the later 4th cto. recording is almost certainly a memento of the teacher who drilled grammar, punctuation, and spelling into my reluctant brain in my junior year of high school; inside the front cover is an inscription "to so-and-so" from two names, same as the distinctive first names of the lady and her husband. I wish I could tell her how much I owe her, but she's been gone for many years now. Sigh.... Anyhow, critical consensus seems to relegate the Stock recordings to second-class-citizen status, but I'm not sure quite why: I haven't tried playing the accounts back to back yet, but taken on their own terms Stock's orchestral contributions strike me as wanting nothing for strength, support, or polish. Another case of boosterism from the critical crowd across the Pond? Dunno, but at some point I do need to sit down and do a systematic direct comparison.
     
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  3. bruce2

    bruce2 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Connecticut, USA
    I look forward to hearing the Klemperer. I do own his German Requiem which is superb. Part of the reason I enjoy the Solti Brahms symphonies is the sound quality. I have the old London CDs from the 80s and I find the sound quality of these recordings to be superb and close to perfect. In fact for the 4th symphony, my favorite, I have compared the Solti to the Kleiber closely a few times. I want to pick the Solti in this comparison because the recording quality is so good, but the Kleiber just has a magical quality to the interpretation that makes it my first choice.
     
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  4. Wes H

    Wes H Forum Resident

    Location:
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    I struggle with this this all the time: Performance vs. sound quality.
    Performance/interpretation most always wins (if the recorded sound is not too harsh) because it takes me to the soul of the music--that is, it brings out the essence of the work that moves me to want to hear it again.
    Sound quality, however, can also be a motivating factor so long as the performance isn't too shabby, adding a dash of excitement or revealing new details that a mediocre recording lacks.
    Also, I have to admit that occasionally a transparent recording has enticed me to listen to music that I might otherwise have overlooked.
     
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  5. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    As usual, MOT did a superb job in reconstruction/remastering ... :agree::righton:
     
  6. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    For me, it is usually cut and dry, performance trumps sound quality. These days, there are too many new bloods whose performance is really not up to snuff but have been pushed by record companies for geopolitical reasons or just a pretty face along with advance of the latest sonic technologies in order to sell more music. Sorry, I don't fall for this nonsense.
     
  7. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    Now playing the following CD, which arrived from across the pond a few months ago for a first listen ...

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  8. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

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    A Tony Faulkner recording.
    Michael Tippett
    Concerto for Double String Orchestra
    Fantasia concertante on a theme of Corelli
    Ritual Dances from The Midsummer Marriage
    Andrew Davis
    BBC Symphony Orchestra
    Teldec, 1996
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  9. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    Now playing CD1 - Symphony No. 1 for probably a second listen, though I must have bought this box quite a few years ago ...

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  10. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    Now playing CD8 - Symphony No. 8 from the following box for a second listen ...

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  11. Wes H

    Wes H Forum Resident

    Location:
    Virginia
    I checked this out by synchronizing the 2nd movement of my Columbia R-T-R commercial tape edition with the same track on Columbia's single-issue LP.
    In less than a minute it was obvious that all the repeats were missing from the LP edition. My rough timing showed that 2nd mvmt. on the tape edition ran for another 3:20 longer--which is close to what the two-platter LP version (in the box set) lists.
    At least Columbia didn't cheat their tape customers. The tape also has a sensible side change--just after the 3rd movement.
     
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  12. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    Now playing the following CD from my JS Bach collection for probably the second listen ...

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  13. ToddBD

    ToddBD Forum Resident

    Throwing it way back...on the turntable...
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  14. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

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    Karel Ancerl
    Czech Philharmonic Orchestra
    Mahler: Symphony 1
    Strauss: Till Eulenspiegels
    Supraphon, 2002
    recorded @1964
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  15. Scope J

    Scope J Senior Member

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  16. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

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    CD 1
    Joseph Keilberth
    Bamberg Symphony
    Smetana: Ma Vlast

    Fritz Lehmann
    Bamberg Symphony
    Dvorak: Symphony No. 8
     
  17. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

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    cd 1
    Jean-Pierre Rampal
    The Complete Erato Recordings I. 1954-1963
    Erato, 2015
    01 - (5:46) Michel Blavet Concerto in a Minor 1.Allegro
    02 - (3:45) Michel Blavet Concerto in a Minor 2.Gavotte(1&2)
    03 - (4:47) Michel Blavet Concerto in Aminor 3.Allegro
    04 - (5:08) Pierre-Gabriel Buffardin Concerto in E Minor
    05 - (4:20) Michel Corrette Concerto in G Major Op.3 No.6 1.Allegro
    06 - (1:45) Michel Corrette Concerto in G Major Op.3 No.6 2.Adagio
    07 - (2:59) Michel Corrette Concerto in G Major Op.3 No.6 3.Allegro
    08 - (1:09) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Divertimento No.5 in C Major K.187 1.Allegro Moderato
    09 - (0:50) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Divertimento No.5 in C Major K.187 2.Menuetto
    10 - (1:01) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Divertimento No.5 in C Major K.187 3.Adagio
    11 - (1:11) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Divertimento No.5 in C Major K.187 4.Menuetto
    12 - (0:54) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Divertimento No.5 in C Major K.187 5.Allegro
    13 - (1:59) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Divertimento No.5 in C Major K.187 6.Allegro Moderato
    14 - (0:27) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Divertimento No.5 in C Majou K.187 7.Allegro Molto
    15 - (0:50) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Divertimento No.5 in C Majou K.187 8.Allegro Non Troppo
    16 - (2:12) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Divertimento No.6 in C Major K.188 1.Andante
    17 - (1:52) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Divertimento No.6 in C Major K.188 2.Allegro
    18 - (1:10) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Divertimento No.6 in C Major K.188 3.Menuetto
    19 - (1:34) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Divertimento No.6 in C Major K.188 4.Andante
    20 - (1:00) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Divertimento No.6 in C Major K.1885.Menuetto
    21 - (0:47) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Divertiment No.6 in C Major K.188 6.Gavotte
    22 - (2:29) Giovanni Battista Pergolesi Concerto No.2 in D Major 1.Amoroso
    23 - (1:59) Giovanni Battista Pergolesi Concerto No.2 in D Major 2.Allegro
    24 - (3:30) Giovanni Battista Pergolesi Concerto No.2 in D Major 3.Grave
    25 - (2:21) Giovanni Battista Pergolesi Concerto No.2 in D Major 4.Presto
    26 - (3:52) Giovanni Battista Pergolesi Concerto No.1 in G Major 1.Spiritoso
    27 - (4:47) Giovanni Battista Pergolesi Concerto No.1 in G Major 2.Adagio
    28 - (2:52) Giovanni Battista Pergolesi Concerto No.1 in G Major 3.Allegro Spiritoso
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  18. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

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    cd 2
    Jean-Pierre Rampal
    The Complete Erato Recordings I. 1954-1963
    Erato, 2015
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    includes some Vivaldi, Sammartini, Quantz, Telemann, Loeillet, and Bach
     
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  19. Wes H

    Wes H Forum Resident

    Location:
    Virginia
    Hard to top Colin Davis leading the Concertgebouw Orchestra in Haydn symphonies. Exciting and brilliantly recorded.
    Philips LP, 1976, Holland pressing.

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  20. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    Strongly :agree:
     
  21. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

    Location:
    west of sun valley
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    Karel Ancerl
    Czech Philharmonic Orchestra
    Stravinsky: Petrouchka; Le Sacre du Printemps
    Supraphon, 2002

    solid
     
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  22. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

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    A worthwhile set. The BBC Philharmonic plays with finesse under Vernon Handley. The fifth disc is an interview with the conductor.
    Vernon Handley
    BBC Philharmonic
    Chandos, 2003
    5 CD
    Bax: The Symphonies
     
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  23. layman

    layman Forum Resident

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    New York, NY
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    I have this set of Brahms Symphonies on SACD (conducted by Otto Klemperer). If you are a fan of these recordings, this version is worth getting. It's the cleanest sounding iteration that I have heard.

    My favorite modern SACD recording of the Brahm's Symphonies remains that by Zdenek Macal conducting the Czech Philharmonic. It's a very straight-forward interpretation with gorgeous sonics.
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    My biggest problem with many recordings of these symphonies concerns tempi that are too broad, too slow, so that the sense of orchestral line unravels....these ultra slow tempi cause the works to bog down and drain away all the passion and excitement from the music.

    Why on Earth would a conductor play a movement marked "Allegro Energico e Passionato" as a Funeral March? Too many do. This is a great mis-interpretation.

    Another problem that I often hear is a lack of clarity, a lack of attention to various orchestral sections and instruments that causes the orchestral colors and details in the scores to be obscured in a thick gray muddle or fog. It's a murky, opaque conception of these works, where the music's inner lights don't shine out. I hear this problem often. Many conductors only touch the surface of these works.

    I don't hear any of these problems with the sets conducted by Klemperer and Macal.
     
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  24. bruce2

    bruce2 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Connecticut, USA
    Are you familiar with the Solti Chicago Symphony set from the 70s? If so what do you think of it?
     
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  25. layman

    layman Forum Resident

    Location:
    New York, NY
    I have it but have not yet listened to it enough (just once I think) to give an opinion. I will have to give it another spin.

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    I recently came across Symphonies No. 1 and No. 3 from the set above (conducted by James Loughran) and was blown away by the passion and excitement that the conductor brought out in the music. This is the way I like Brahms played.
     
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