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Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by George P, May 29, 2015.

  1. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

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    west of sun valley
    a little Mozart to start today's listening:

    Jean-Pierre Rampal
    Mozart: Six Sonatas for harpsichord and flute
    Rossini: Two Quartets for flute, clarinet horn, and bassoon.
    Erato, 2015
    Disc 10
    Volume 1, the Complete Erato Recordings

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  2. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    An interesting box but unfortunately none of the baroque performance was with any HIP ensemble ...
     
  3. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

    Location:
    west of sun valley
    I know. :righton:
     
  4. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    Those Jean-Francois Paillard Chamber Orchestra's rendition of baroque works just don't sound right to me thirty years after I bought those LP's and they are all collecting dust. While the ASMIF under Marriner still performed on modern instruments, they are quite a few notches above the JFP Chamber Orchestra. Rampal was a regular fixture with the latter, which was probably a French baroque champion back in the day before the HIP movement really got started ...
     
  5. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

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    west of sun valley
    I am not a fan of Jean-Francois Paillard either.
     
  6. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    His orchestra reminds me of the Boston Pops in some way ...
     
  7. marcel

    marcel Alea Iacta Est

    Location:
    Italy
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  8. bruce2

    bruce2 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Connecticut, USA
    After living with and listening to this Brahms set for a while I am still having reservations about it. Recently I listened back to back to the 3rd and 4th Symphonies from this set then my old Solti Chicago Symphony discs. Both times I came away feeling that I prefer the Solti interpretations! Both the Solti and Nelsons have excellent sound quality, some of the best I have heard with a full warm sound and good bass. Of course the Solti Brahms are classic Decca analog recordings made in the 70s, engineered by Kenneth Wilkinson who I gather is well regarded for audiophile recordings. I just find that at times Nelsons is too slow and drawn out, I find the Solti to have better tempos and more urgency power and passion. For someone looking for a set of Brahms symphonies I don't think you could go wrong either way though.
     
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  9. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    I would not have minded if there were more recordings by the Leonhardt Consort but Vivarte 1 has far too many recordings by Tafelmusik, which is just a decent baroque ensemble but not outstanding IMO. When I already have many baroque recordings by the likes of English Consort, AAM, English Baroque Soloists and the ASMIF, Tafelmusik just does not cut it IMO ...
     
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  10. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    I don't even know who Andris Nelson is. But if I have to choose between him and Solti, I would choose Solti everytime ... :hide:

    The dude in LA is hot but I do not share the Californian enthusiasm ...
     
  11. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    :confused:

    That's weird, you've discussed Nelsons before.
     
  12. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    CT, USA
    I do not have a single recording by him ...
     
  13. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    We discussed Andris Nelsons when he was mentioned as a successor to Mariss Jansons as principal conductor of the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra a few years ago. Daniele Gatti was appointed instead.
     
  14. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    But the fact that Andris Nelsons was considered a potential candidate to succeed Mariss Jansons does not tell me a thing about the quality of his conducting. That was the most superficial discussion. Most of us know that true talents in classical world are very hard to find these days ...
     
  15. bruce2

    bruce2 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Connecticut, USA
    I have a few Solti recordings and love them all! Other than his Brahms symphonies I also have the Venice SACD from Analogue Productions which is great, and also his Tchaikovsky 1812 Overture and Romeo and Juliet. Oh yes and I forgot the Solti Rite of Spring which is my favorite recording of that piece!
     
  16. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    You said a few posts ago you didn't know who Nelsons is, whereas we did discuss his possible appointment a couple of years ago, that's what I found weird.
     
  17. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    Talking about Nelsons' conducting, I like his Shostakovich with the Boston SO, but if I remember correctly that's not one of your favourite composers. On the other hand I wasn't impressed by his Brahms with the same orchestra and his Bruckner with the Gewandhausorchester Leipzig, of which he is also musical director; both sounded too slow and heavy-handed to me.
     
  18. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    For the Gewandhausorchester Leipzig recordings, I would stick to those made by the late Kurt Masur whom I greatly admired. He used to live a few towns away from me. I attended a few NYPO concerts mainly because of Masur and Colin Davis. NYPO is not an orchestra I care for after Bernstein's tenure, which was somewhat before my time ...
     
  19. bruce2

    bruce2 Forum Resident

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    Connecticut, USA
    So you also find his Brahms too slow and ponderous? I thought it was just me as this set has gotten good reviews.
     
  20. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    From what I've heard, yes. As I said I like Nelsons' Shostakovich, but having heard his Brahms and Bruckner I doubt he'll become a favourite of mine among "modern" conductors. By the way, for what it's worth his Brahms set and Bruckner disc didn't get a good review on ClassicsToday; a panel on Dutch public classical radio didn't like his Bruckner very much either.
     
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  21. George P

    George P Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    NYC
    These days, I feel like reviews are only useful when my taste aligns with the reviewers. For example, many people find Furtwangler's Beethoven too slow or Celibidache's Bruckner to be too slow - while others love it more than all others. And some, like me, find Furtwanger's Beethoven to be too slow, but find Celibidache's Bruckner to be perfect.
     
  22. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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  23. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    No idea if this has been mentioned before, but Sony Europe released this set in May 2017:

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  24. marcel

    marcel Alea Iacta Est

    Location:
    Italy
    Yeah, I get it. While I acknowledge that one might favor another ensemble over Tafelmusik (I also own a lot of recordings of the orchestras you mentioned, and love them) I have yet to find a "bad" Tafelmusik performance. For me, the main selling point of these Vivarte boxsets is the inclusion of rarely recorded/almost impossible to find compositions and authors (eg Pipelare); I sampled all the ones I didn't know and/or didn't have and it would cost me about 40 euros just to purchase three or four CDs including that music, whoever performs them.

    Hey, just the Pipelare disc cannot be found under £20+shipping (used, maybe non tracked shipping)

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pipelare-Missa-Lhomme-Huelgas-Ensemble/dp/B000025XIZ/

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    For € 0.89 per CD, tracked shipping included, I just couldn't resist. By the way, the Tafelmusik discs are 21 out of 60. I can risk. :)
     
  25. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    Strongly :agree:. The Huelgas Ensemble/Van Nevel recording is very attractive. If there are a few of these OOP recordings, there is a strong case for getting the box for sure. But where can I find the contents of this box in any details?
     

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