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Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by George P, May 29, 2015.

  1. bruce2

    bruce2 Forum Resident

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    I have listened to it twice so far and enjoy it. I really like the Brahms Violin Sonata included on this disc too.
     
  2. Wugged

    Wugged Well-Known Member

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    Yes indeed. Some of those Naxos discs are outstanding. Amongst my favourites are the Guitar Laureate series under the guidance of Norbert Kraft and the really superb Haydn Piano Sonatas set by Jando. I have yet to hear better Haydn - better than Brendel and others IMHO.
     
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  3. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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    Played a handful of Sofronitsky the last few days, haven't heard anything of his besides some of the more popular Russian composers in a while. The Scriabin disc I have is a more recent Japanese reissue on Denon that sounded fine. It was only after switching to some rips by Vista Vera I was again reminded just how poor they sound with noise reduction ranging from barely acceptable to completely egregious, ie on Beethoven's Op. 111 there was very obvious "flutter" during trailing notes and they sometimes boost the upper midrange as well to make it sound less dead. Saving grace was that it was a fiery performance of Op. 111 and one fairly obvious that it had Sofronitsky's fingerprints on it. IIRC this was from a FLAC rip of Scriabin Museum Vol 4 by Vista Vera.

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  4. crispi

    crispi Forum Resident

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    A recent “dollar” find, this is a near-mint copy of the 1979 reissue of Karl Richter’s BACH Brandenburg Concertos, 2 LPs. From DG’s “silver foil” period, the cover is laminated in silver foil, like they did with others at the time, like Kleiber’s Brahms 4 or Michelangeli’s Chopin. It looks beautiful in person and the photos can’t quite do it justice. There is a great Karl Richter photo on the back of the gatefold:

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    I really like this 1967 performance. It’s probably not HIP enough for most people, but it’s still quite fleet on its feet. It also appeared on CD in the “Originals” series, albeit bearing a variation of the original cover, which is different.

    I’m not sure if this set was supposed to contain liner notes, but mine doesn’t have an insert. On the inside of the gatefold there is only a detailed listing of the instrumentation used and details about the recording. The deadwax contains (P) 1967, meaning it uses original metalwork.

    Anyone else familiar with this interpretation?

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  5. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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    Gorgeous artwork, I love when they do these hand drawn covers.

    Yesterdays listening was Pascal Roge playing Satie. It has been a long time since I heard this CD, Ciccolini is normally my preferred musician to play Satie. This CD by Roge had very nice performances as well.

    What was just as impressive is this was a 1984 all digital recording and I never would have guessed it if I went into it listening blind. The digital recording sounded very modern and truthful.

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  6. crispi

    crispi Forum Resident

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    Agree, that is a very, very good Satie. In fact, my favourite “non-slow” Satie.
    Aldo Ciccolini, on the other hand? Can't stand him. His playing sounds cold.

    Regarding the digital, I find Decca was very good at it from the start. Their early digital recordings sound amazing and warm. They had their own in-house built digital converters and recorders. Their more recent digital recordings sound even more analog-like in my opinion, might be due to their using old mics and mic pre-amps, don't know. But I know that their Gewandhaus/Chailly orchestra recordings sound like they could have been late '70s analogue recordings.
     
  7. George P

    George P Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I fully agree about Ciccolini. And his Beethoven sonatas are even worse. Maybe the first time I thought it was appropriate for something to be out of print. :D

    As for Roge, I love his Satie (even if I prefer Thibaudet's a bit more), his Poulenc (even if I like Tecchino more) and his Saint Saens concertos.
     
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  8. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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    I relistened to his Gymnopedies and Gnossiennes, IMO the major difference is his tempi can sometimes be a bit more brisk and he doesn't use the pedals as much as Roge so it isn't as rich or deep. I think these things do give some more atmosphere to Roge's playing and having relistened to both now I probably do have a preference for Roge overall and will be seeking out his other Decca CD. When it went into the Gnossiennes last night Roge's was the most "film like" (as if it sounds like it is scored for scenes in a movie) I had ever heard these works.

    I find this very interesting :) I am guessing my preference for Ciccolini is because he was probably my first introduction to Satie and it wouldn't be uncommon for me to continue to like performances where I was first (or very early on) introduced to a work and when I did my comparison a long time ago I was using de Leeuw's earliest recording.

    To switch topics from Satie, I want to upgrade my Sofrontisky CDs/FLAC rips. Any suggestions from you guys?
     
  9. George P

    George P Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Yes, I almost said that earlier. It can be a very strong influence on what I like/don't like, though I try hard to keep it from happening by trying to have an open mind.

    Upgrade in what way? Sound or performance?

    His recordings are notoriously poor in sound quality. The best i could suggest is to check out this discussion on another forum - Vladimir Sofronitsky
     
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  10. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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    I mostly meant sound quality as it applies to mastering, I don't mind poor recording quality. I am open to hearing about specific recommendations for sound and performance if you have any. From everything that I have heard his playing is to my taste so I don't mind recommendations from a wide variety of composers. Most of the rips I have are by Vista Vera some of the noise reduction on them is aggressive. I have a couple of CDs released in Japan a few years ago under Denon.

    ie below, except it is the Studio Recordings 1.

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    I will go through those threads, but I definitely trust you guys more when it comes to mastering!
     
  11. Rose River Bear

    Rose River Bear Forum Resident

    Ciccolini at times can be too anti romantic sounding in his playing of the pieces. However, IIRC Satie held himself out as anti romantic but I agree that some players go overboard with the steely mechanical sounding non breathing sound.
     
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  12. George P

    George P Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    There are a few people in that thread, one in particular, who really know their stuff.

    For whatever reason, Sofronitsky never really clicked for me. I recall a few individual performances that really impressed me, but the rest weren't my thing.
     
  13. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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    Do you do Youtube? I'll upload the 1946 recording of him playing Scriabin piano sonata no 3, op. 23 if you haven't heard it. This is one of my favorite performances of this piece.
     
  14. George P

    George P Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Sure, after you upload it to youtube, could you PM me the link? I won't be able to listen for a few days and I fear it will get buried in the thread.
     
  15. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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    Will do. I received the Angelich box today. It's very pink :nyah: A bit disappointed there was no PS3, Op.5 but that's fine. It will probably be a while before I get to it, I've listened to a ton of Brahms recently.
     
  16. George P

    George P Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Thanks! Hope you like the Angelich box.

    I'm not a fan of Brahms's piano sonatas. :hide:
     
  17. Scope J

    Scope J Forum Resident

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  18. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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    I like the first two, but the third is IMHO a masterpiece :eek: Also my single favorite piece from the Katchen Brahms set.
     
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  19. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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  20. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    This was released in Europe last month. I found several sites carrying it, but none has any info about the content/recording date(s).
     
  21. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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    This is one that interests me because IMHO it's not too common to find Richter playing Scriabin on good sounding transfers. And to have two entire discs of it could be pretty pretty pretty good.
     
  22. George P

    George P Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    This set is a heck of a lot cheaper (from amazon) and has great performances:

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  23. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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    Thanks, I had avoided it since it's on Music & Arts.

    Edit: I will email Praga about that release and post back what they say about it.
     
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  24. George P

    George P Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I don't blame you, but in this case they did a decent job. It's the best sounding source I have heard for those performances.
     
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  25. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    I also try to avoid M&A as much as possible, but it was the only way for me to get Arturo Toscanini's 1939 Beethoven cycle. I had my eyes on Immortal Performances' box, but when it turned out it was released on CD-R I went for M&A's 2013 remaster.
     

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