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Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by George P, May 29, 2015.

  1. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    Two American pianists, Byron Janis and Stephen Kovacevich are better pianists IMHO ...
     
  2. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    Born American, but the Brits more or less see Kovacevich as one of their own :)
     
  3. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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  4. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

    Location:
    Northeast
    Since Van Cliburn passed away some years ago I assume we aren't just talking about living pianists? I will throw in Vladimir Horowitz though I will not be surprised if that is not a popular opinion ;)

    Speaking of, I finished listened to this entire box recently: Horowitz - The Unreleased Live Recordings 1966-1983

    It was a box I got in one of those Amazon 3 for 2 sales while it was only 55 Euro and I enjoyed it a great deal (still going back to the 60s recordings). Hank Drake has a superbly detailed review up on Amazon. The most recent Horowitz disc I listened was his first recording of the Barber Piano Sonata from the big Original Jacket box.
     
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  5. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    But Horowitz was not American-born ...
     
  6. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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    Ah very true, didn't realize we meant birth place. I've always considered him an American as he settled here early on and his entire career was founded and built upon in America.
     
  7. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    CT, USA
    So is the free version of Spotify any good other than all the ads one has to put up with?
     
  8. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    Horowitz was as American as Rubinstein ... :agree:
     
  9. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    I think "Russo-American" is used often.
     
  10. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    It's been a while since I last listened to Hotowitz, he's not one of my favourites. Of that generation Rubinstein is more to my taste.
     
  11. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    When I first got into classical music back in the mid 70's, the following LP was the first piano LP I bought and still have it ...

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    Needless to say, Horowitz is no longer my favorite pianist since I have discovered so many other pianists I like a bit more.
     
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  12. George P

    George P Forum Pianophile Thread Starter

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    When Horowitz was on, he was untouchable. Even Rachmaninoff said that Horowitz played the Rach PC3 better than he did. Trouble is, Horowitz was often not on, and he recorded far past his peak. To enjoy his artistry, one really needs to pick and choose. Scarlatti, Clementi, Schumann and Rachmaninoff are composers he played incredibly well. Others, like Chopin, he was very mixed.

    I have said this before, but Rubinstein's stereo recordings do little for me. I enjoy his earlier recordings, especially his earliest mono recordings. Back then he was still spontaneous, interesting. The numbered Rubinstein Collection CDs are chronological, so if one wants to hear the early mono recordings, one could sample volumes 1-21 or so.
     
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  13. bruce2

    bruce2 Forum Resident

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    I just received this SACD and am listening to the Faure trio now. Absolutely sublime playing and sound quality!
     
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  14. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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    I've been listening/comparing these two recordings for the past week. I might post something more detailed when I've formed a more solid conclusion, this is best left for a breakdown between each fugue. In general I would say Koroliov takes a slightly more punctuated approach and Nikolayeva is a bit more fluid. In short two absolutely amazing performances, I don't think I would want to be without either one because each have their own interpretation, while similar on some are different on others (ie Contrapunctus 5 Koroliov takes a more propulsive approach whereas Nikolayeva is gentler, but then it won't hold true for another fugue where Nikolayeva will play it with more intensity) the tempi are also different and another area where no generalization can be made. Both of them are radically different from Gould (not a condemnation on Gould I wouldn't want to be without his either and wished he recorded it all on piano), both allow for space between the voices but without ever feeling labored. Also Nikolayeva and Koroliov play them completely straight with no added improvisations, something I appreciate. A nice bonus is the recording quality is superb on both. Actually wish Nikolayeva recorded more Bach for Hyperion as these recordings sound better than the Russian labels, I don't really find her interpretations that different between studio recordings (more variance live), though this is from years of listening and not direct comparisons.

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  15. RiRiIII

    RiRiIII Forum Resident

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    The greatest Liszt recordings as Brendel said: Kempff/Decca/50s/ Eloquence


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  16. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    I have owned both recordings for a long time but have never gone after any in-depth analysis of each performance. IIRC, I preferred the performance of Nikolayeva over that of Koroliov ...
     
  17. RiRiIII

    RiRiIII Forum Resident

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    RiRiIII Forum Resident

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  19. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    Is? Was, maybe, but on the whole I think history has not been especially kind to him. The consensus, I think, is that after languishig in the wilderness too long, he achieved too much fame before he was ready.
     
  20. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    Of course, he died only five years ago, and we all know no musician gets really good until he's been dead 20 years....
     
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  21. George P

    George P Forum Pianophile Thread Starter

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    Thanks for posting! While I'm not very optimistic, I hope that the mastering / transfers are done well.
     
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  22. George P

    George P Forum Pianophile Thread Starter

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    :laugh:
     
  23. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    Not Antonio Salieri !
     
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  24. George P

    George P Forum Pianophile Thread Starter

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    Now enjoying this superb new release of three live recordings, taken from concerts that took place in 1967-1984.
     
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  25. Ron Stone

    Ron Stone Offending Member

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    Deep Maryland
    Wow, I crossed off a longstanding want list item with an unplayed copy of the very OOP Silverman Beethoven piano sonatas cycle on Orpheum Masters for $30 shipped.

    Then, while looking for something else, I also grabbed a complete Beethoven symphony cycle by von Dohnanyi/Cleveland on Telarc for $10 shipped.

    I still haven't listened through the Ashkenazy complete Beethoven piano sonatas set I received last week for $15 shipped. This is just crazy . . .

    I think we're witnessing a perfect storm of estate sales coupled with the death of physical media, accelerated by competing online sales and sites. The bottom is just falling out for all but the rarest collectibles.
     
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