Commercial CD/digital sourced from vinyl

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by digilog, Oct 18, 2018.

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  1. digilog

    digilog Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    First, let me de-limit my query by excluding pre-magnetic-tape-era acetate discs (78s, etc). A lot of these -- esp. classical -- have been "CD'd".

    Specifically, I'm curious about commercial (official) CD or digital releases that were sourced from vinyl, roughly 1960s-1980s. Anyone know of examples of such releases?

    As I noted in another thread, I have a Buddy Rich CD (Rich and Famous; Tko Magnum Meteor, 1996) that was sourced from vinyl. And the mastering is superb.

    Perhaps Tidal, HDTracks, or other streaming services are using vinyl sources.
     
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  2. c-eling

    c-eling They're made of light,We never would have guessed

    Vinyl is a format not a sound.
    How would we know 100% that zero EQ'ing or adjustment was not done for compact disc?
    Sure I have many compact discs that sound identical to their LP counterparts where both were released simultaneously.
    Is this what you mean?
    CDs "remastered" from vinyl
     
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  3. Ludger

    Ludger ISthisALLreal, ISthisALLnecessary, ORisTHISaJOKE?

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  4. c-eling

    c-eling They're made of light,We never would have guessed

    So a 'needledrop' ?
     
  5. Ludger

    Ludger ISthisALLreal, ISthisALLnecessary, ORisTHISaJOKE?

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    Yep, that's what the Discogs quote suggests!
     
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  6. c-eling

    c-eling They're made of light,We never would have guessed

    :laugh:
    Nice!
     
  7. digilog

    digilog Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    A major (or minor) label might resort to a vinyl copy (for producing digital file, for CD or streaming) if, e.g., the master tapes were lost/damaged (fire, flood, etc.).
    In another thread, I noted Fortune--Fortune (1985, MCA) remastered for CD in 2004 by small label (Gypsy Rock) sounds as if most tracks were vinyl-sourced.
     
  8. The Lone Cadaver

    The Lone Cadaver Bass & Keys Cadaver

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    There are a lot of them. Just a couple of examples - I just got through listening to The Hollies' Head Out of Dreams collection and the song Let Her Go Down was sourced from a fairly noisy New Zealand 45 b-side.
    String Driven Thing's Keep Your 'And on It and Please Mind Your Head full albums were also unannounced needledrops. I made my own CDRs of these two from my flawless still-sealed vinyl and they sound 100% better.
    Some artists are upfront about it and let you know that certain songs are cleaned-up needledrops when the only surviving sources are vinyl, acetates or even old cassette tapes. The Pretty Things and The Move are both very honest about it, and the songs involved are very welcome additions to their discographies.
     
  9. digilog

    digilog Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    My memory of the Buddy Rich album noted in OP was a bit vague so I found my flac playlist and gave it a listen. I found it to be not as good as I (mis-)remembered !! The LP source is quite worn and apart from numerous scratches/pops, there is that awful "fuzzy" distortion (like an amplifier clipping) easily heard during loud passages (e.g., trumpet blasts).
     
  10. seed_drill

    seed_drill Senior Member

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    Most of mine are PD discs, pirates or simply releases of stuff that no longer has a surviving master tape. And when I say pirates, I generally mean stuff that was OOP for decades and would also fall under the "lost tape" category.

    For instance, I know the masters for Jake Holmes' two albums on Tower are lost and that the CD's he sells on his web cite are needledrops. I haven't heard them, since I invested in the original records.
     
  11. petertakov

    petertakov Forum Resident

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    Mickey Newbury's entire catalog was only available on vinyl--sourced CDs. As far as I remember the master tapes were said to have been accidentally destroyed in a fire.
     
  12. nosliw

    nosliw Delivering parcels throughout Teyvat! Meow~!

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    Convulse - World Without God was sourced from the original LP for the Relapse Records and Svart Records releases. The latter is a major improvement over Relapse as it was tastefully tweaked properly. The master tape is still missing, unfortunately. Though the included demo tracks from Svart is taken from the original analogue reel and sounds absolutely killer.

    Sepultura's Bestial Devastation was taken from the a poorly pressed second pressing split with Overdose and was also EQ'd to death for all subsequent releases through Roadrunner Records on both CD and LP, resulted in not sounding very good. From what I read, the master tape was completely erased and gone for good by Cogumelo Records. Best to either get the original split pressing with Overdose or the newly minted 2017 LP press from Mutilation Records, which uses a clean original pressing as its master.

    Sepultura's Schizophrenia and Morbid Visions through Germany's Shark Records was sourced from an LP for its CD releases, I believe.
     
  13. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    Lewis Baloue first album L'Amour (1983) on Light in the Attic.

    The master is long lost, the album was rediscovered circa 2014 by a vinyl collector thanks to a vinyl record in a flea market.
     
  14. petertakov

    petertakov Forum Resident

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    No wonder the master tabes are missing. Probably someone at the tape storage facility saw the labels on the boxes and thought this is some sort of weird porn and recycled them. He wasn't far wrong, IMO :))))
     
  15. frightwigwam

    frightwigwam Talented Amateur

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    For the 1997 reissue of Louis Armstrong Plays W.C. Handy, some of it was mastered from an original vinyl copy, because the master tapes were long gone. Some of it came from tapes George Avakian had assembled for an EP release.
     
  16. Hymie the Robot

    Hymie the Robot Forum Resident

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    Wasn't one of the quadraphonic mixes from Rick Wakeman a few years back sourced from SQ vinyl?
     
  17. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    Yes, although the label denied it.
    Also the Quad mix of Black Sabbath's Paranoid. It was a pretty bad transfer and decoding.
     
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  18. nedison

    nedison Peter Blegvad's #1 Fan

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  19. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    Would like to know this as well. I see it is "remastered by Bill Inglot" but maybe that's an erroneous credit?
     
  20. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    I listen to a lot of obscure music online which is ripped from vinyl. Not a commercial product though.
     
  21. Exit Flagger

    Exit Flagger Forum Resident

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    I believe a few tracks on the CD that came with the Fire Records collection of recordings by the band The Moles are taken from long out of print 45s. Complete with heart-warming crackle.
     
  22. bartels76

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    Supposedly the Trapeze Threshold CD issues from the mid 90's was sourced from vinyl. Sounds good though!
     
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