CTI Japan 2013 "Supreme Collection" Series (Direct from Masters- No EQ Added)

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by noname74, Dec 16, 2013.

  1. Yesternow

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    Question for the "Power of Soul" fan club:
    Anyone notices similarities between "piece of mind" and George Duke's song "feel" ?

    They were recorded almost at the same time.

    Coincidence?!
     
  2. Harry Hood

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    Sorry, can't help. I've been tempted a couple of times to delve into George Duke stuff. But I don't like jazz with vocals, so I've never bothered.

    Same applies for Roy Ayers.
     
  3. Yesternow

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    Well Mr Idris just got invited into my new years eve play list. "Hard to face the music", " Could heaven ever be like this" and others - great soul/funk tunes.

    I've been turning this Muhammad On lately.
     
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  4. XISMZERO

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    All this and not one mention of David Matthews - Dune?!

    I waited many years for this release in any form and was elated to see it finally remastered on CD following the infamous controversy sparked by a poor managerial choice and clash with Herbert's "Dune" by Creed Taylor that kept this fantastic album from a re-release.

    I originally paid $135 (later sold it for $90) for the original 1994 first-time-on-CD issue from King Records after dealing with a fair vinyl rip.

    The 2016 edition is different, less hiss and a little more spaciousness that the already very well done 1994 version that stayed off the radar for many years. Not thrilled about any of the CTI Supreme releases (mostly because the mastering on many are dull and the packaging omits a lot of original vinyl art) but there was no question on this one.

    You all must have this one, a real gem from some of the final years of CTI.
     
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  5. XISMZERO

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    Try his MPS (early to mid 70s) material for more a jazz albeit rhodes and moog sound with less vox. You won't be disappointed with Faces In Reflection, Aura Will Prevail, especially if you want to hear the Zappa fever he was pounding out during this time/splitting his time with Zappa's band.

    Most of his Early Epic years have amazing instrumentals but you have to pick through them all.
     
  6. Chazro

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    Yr missing out on a Jazz/Funk essential! Very influential to this day; Roy Ayers Ubiquity - Everybody Loves The Sunshine - still sounds very hip and contemporary! A lot of the Jazz/Funk being created today borrows heavily from Ayers seminal sound.
     
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  7. leshafunk

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    That was in 2016.
    Great album and the sound could be improved with a slightly brighter EQ.
     
  8. Yesternow

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    On the sticker, left-top - "I love KUDU best 20".
    Anyone knows what it means ? I think I saw also another one saying "best 12".
    Is it a selection of the 20 best KUDU albums ?

    I think there was 39 in total from KUDU.

    Do you recommend any particular reissue/collection?

    Thanks
     
  9. Leroy Bad

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    Can anyone share their opinion on the 50th Anniversary releases at the end of 2017?
    I'm interested In the Beginning by Hubert Laws, the previous issues on Sony has muffled sound quality, and Canned Funk by Joe Farrell had a very harsh treble, and lacked low end. Were the sound quality of these releases improved?
     
  10. liv3evil

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    I can't say I'll get to them immediately, but I'll put "In the Beginning" (which I kind of know) and "Canned Funk" (which I know well and have maybe 5 different versions of now) in my listening queue. If nothing else, everything I've listened to to-date sounds very similar to the original vinyl counterparts.
     
  11. It's great to have this series with a total of 3 x 40 = 120 CTI/Kudu albums available on CD with decent mastering at very reasonable prices.

    Not sure if the series will continue (I sort of doubt it), but one great album is still sorely missing:

    Stanley Turrentine - Don't Mess With Mr. T

    Fortunately, I have recently found a very nice vinyl copy of these album, but I would love to have it as part of this series.

    And there are still some nice albums by Grover Washington Jr. on the Kudu label which were not (yet?) released in this series.
     
  12. liv3evil

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    I think you're probably right re: it being further continued, however I think there are still 40+ releases available? I mentioned further up-thread that the CTI Seawind, Bob James, and kUDU Grover Washington, Jr. albums are owned independent of King of JP, so they won't be part of the reissue series. Of those, I'd really like the James albums to be a part of this series.

    I also wish they were able to include the A&M CTI albums, as a great number have never been issued digitally, or are JP-only. I just picked up the the 2x Tamba 4 releases (Creed Taylor produced A&M LPs) minus the cost of shipping w/the 'bonus points' I accrued from buying the latest series.

    "Don't Mess with Mister T" was issued in CD in 2011 as part of the 2010—2011 Masterworks Jazz CTI reissue series, mastered by Mark Wilder & Maria Triana. You might be able to find a used copy relatively cheap?

    Stanley Turrentine - Don't Mess With Mister T.

    Of the 29 Masterworks Jazz reissues, all but 2 of them have been released by King JP in the 2013, 2016, or 2017 reissue series. The 2 albums not-yet-issued are "Don't Mess with Mister T" and Ron Carter's "All Blues".
     
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  13. liv3evil

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    Leroy, I just listened critically to the King / CTI KICJ-2574 JP 2017 issue of "Canned Funk" and can report it sounds very much like the original vinyl release. Dynamic, uncompressed, good bottom/low end and p'haps a bit muted/muffled sounding in terms of highs. It's much easier to enjoy Farrell out-front when the high-end is restrained. By comparison, the Wounded Bird reissue sounds really bad, in addition to maybe too much compression, it's way too bright. Farrell's tone is fatiguing, borderline annoying, even.

    That said, and while I have yet to hear a King reissue that doesn't sound almost identical to an original vinyl release, this sound, or case of really non-mastering (i.e. reporting what's on the tapes w/little compression or EQ), may be disappointing due to their darker/muted sound. I don't mind turning the volume up a bit on my amp when I listen to them, or settling-in to the un-bright sound. I do most of my critical listening w/HD 600 headphones and a Marantz HD-DAC1 amp.

    I'll try to get to "In the Beginning" soon.
     
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  14. Chazro

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    Any of you guys ever hear the 'new' CTI releases that were released in the 90's? I own 3 of them, not sure how many more, if any, were released. These were CTI's in name only as they completely abandoned the formulaic approach (Jazz + overdubbubed strings and brass). The one thing that was retained was the all-star line ups!.

    Larry Coryell - Live From Bahia - mostly Brazilian musicians but also featuring a very subdued Billy Cobham, Donald Harrison, Dori Caymmi, and playing electric and acoustic guitar beside Coryell, the legendary Romero Lubambo.

    Rhythmstick - a compilation of sorts dedicated to Dizzy Gillespie (who used to have a walking stick that he called a 'Rhythymstick') - Check out this line up! Dizzy Gillespie, Art Farmer, Phil Woods, Bob Berg, Airto & Flora Purim, Tito Puente, Charlie Haden, Marvin 'Smitty' Smith, Anthony Jackson, Bernard Purdie, John Scofield, Robben Ford, Romero Lubambo, Hilton Ruiz, Jimmy McGriff, & Benny Golson.

    Lastly, my favorite, an unrecognized Fusion classic;
    Chroma - Music On The Edge - featuring Jim Beard, Bob Berg, Randy Brecker, Mino Cinelu Dennis Chambers, Mark Egan, Jon Herington, Mark Ledford and Mike Stern. Own it in CD, LD, & DVD. I brought my copy to a drum clinic I attended for Dennis Chambers to sign, he was surprised saying he wasn't even aware it was released (I always wondered if that meant he wasn't paid!?). Anyways, good records that I bought primarily due to the personnel but I gotta admit, also cause I saw the CTI label on them!;)
     
  15. Leroy Bad

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    Thanks I'll definitely replace that wounded bird release.
     
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  16. liv3evil

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    I haven't heard any of them, but the Chroma release sounds like it would be up my alley. Also, if Creed Taylor produced it, no matter what the time/year, it's probably worth giving a chance. I'll try to find a copy of "Music on the Edge". \../
     
  17. leshafunk

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    I like the sound on the December'17 releases (I've bought mostly late-70s albums).
    Can't say sou about the packaging - the amount of inserts is minimal (e.g. there's no picture of the original album back cover) and no Blu-spec/SHM/HQCD tricks this time.

    BTW, with these series all 39 KUDU albums are on CD!
     
  18. robertawillisjr

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    Where?
     
  19. leshafunk

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    In every good CD shop, I guess.
     
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  20. liv3evil

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    Of the 37 kUDU albums, by my count, 29 were issued by King in JP as part of their 2013, 2016, or 2017 reissue series. The 6 Grover Washington, Jr. albums were not issued by King, but have been, at one time, released and in-print on CD.

    I think there's at least one - Johnny Hammond's "The Prophet" - that has not been issued digitally to-date?
     
  21. Harry Hood

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    Yeah, I couldn't find that Johnny Hammond one after Higher Ground had sucked me in.

    Listening to Grover's Trouble Man right now!
     
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  22. leshafunk

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    You're right - "The Prophet" is still missing. What a shame!
    The numbers go from KU-01 to KU-39 (KUX-3536 was the live twofer by Grover Washington Jr.), thus making 38 releases in total, and only one (KU-10) is still not on CD.
     
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  23. Yesternow

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    Here are the famous 39:

    KU-01 Johnny Hammond - Breakout 1971
    KU-02 Lonnie Smith - Mama Wailer 1971
    KU-03 Grover Washington Jr. - Inner City Blues 1971
    KU-04 Johnny Hammond - Wild Horses Rock Steady 1972
    KU-05 Esther Phillips - From A Whisper To A Scream 1972
    KU-06 Hank Crawford - Help Me Make It Through The Night 1972
    KU-07 Grover Washington Jr. - All The King's Horses 1972
    KU-08 Hank Crawford - We Got A Good Thing Going 1972
    KU-09 Esther Phillips - Alone Again, Naturally 1972
    KU-10 Johnny Hammond - The Prophet 1972
    KU-11 Eric Gale - Forecast 1973
    KU-12 Grover Washington Jr. - Soul Box, Vol. 1 1973
    KUX-1213 Grover Washington Jr. - Soul Box 1973
    KU-13 Grover Washington Jr. - Soul Box, Vol. 2 1973
    KU-14 Esther Phillips - Black-Eyed Blues 1973
    KU-15 Hank Crawford - Wildflower 1973
    KU-16 Johnny Hammond - Higher Ground 1974
    KU-17 Idris Muhammad - Power Of Soul 1974
    KU-18 Esther Phillips - Performance 1974
    KU-19 S1 Hank Crawford - Don't You Worry 'Bout A Thing 1974
    KU-20 S1 Grover Washington Jr. - Mister Magic 1975
    KU-21 S1 Beck 1975
    KU-22 S1 Upchurch/Tennyson 1975
    KU-23 S1 Esther Phillips W/ Beck - What A Diff'rence A Day Makes 1975
    KU-24 S1 Grover Washington Jr. - Feels So Good 1975
    KU-25 S1 Ron Carter - Anything Goes 1975
    KU-26 S1 Hank Crawford - I Hear A Symphony 1975
    KU-27 S1 Idris Muhammad - House Of The Rising Sun 1976
    KU-28 S1 Esther Phillips With Beck - For All We Know 1976
    KU-29 Grant Green With Hubert Laws - The Main Attraction 1976
    KU-30 David Matthews With Whirlwind - Shoogie Wanna Boogie 1976
    KU-31 Esther Phillips - Capricorn Princess 1976
    KU-32 S1 Grover Washington Jr. - A Secret Place 1976
    KU-33 S1 Hank Crawford's Back 1976
    KU-34 Idris Muhammad - Turn This Mutha Out 1977
    KU-35 S1 Hank Crawford - Tico Rico 1977
    KUX-3637 M2 Grover Washington Jr. - Live At The Bijou 1977
    KU-38 Idris Muhammad - Boogie To The Top 1978
    KU-39 Hank Crawford - Cajun Sunrise 1978
     
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  24. liv3evil

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    Note that "Soul Box" and "Live at the Bijou" are duplicated.
     
  25. Harry Hood

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    15-16-17's a helluva trio!
     
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