Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by agaraffa, Apr 20, 2012.
I think some of the best music came out of the early 90's so I hope he's right...
Thanks for the link--I like Grohl's point about how kids couldn't connect to over-produced pop. But ultimately I disagree; the present is a lot different from 1991.
In 1991, alternative rock had the support of the major labels and MTV, both of which played a major role in its rise. It really seemed to take off when MTV, seemingly out of nowhere, decided to start showing grunge videos in the fall of 1991. Rock was also a bigger part of popular music then. A lot of the people who started listening to alternative rock music around 1991 came in from other kinds of rock music--hair metal, classic-rock holdovers like Aerosmith, mainstream acts like U2 or Sting.
Today, most of the best new rock acts seem to be on indie labels, where many of them do very well but don't get quite the same exposure that a major-label act would. There's no music hegemon like MTV to start pushing indie rock out of nowhere. And rock shares popular music with pop, hip-hop, and country, which makes it really hard for any kind of new music to really rise like alternative rock did in the '90s. Pop is bigger right now, and an alternative pop--say, performers like Janelle Monae or Santigold--might be more likely to rise, maybe building on what Adele has started.
The good news is that the indie rock acts of the present are great--you can almost pick an act at random from the Merge or Subpop or 4AD roster and hear something that's at least interesting. It's still a great time to be listening to new rock music. It's not everywhere like it was in 1991, but given the Internet and web sites like Pitchfork or AV Club--not to mention those of the labels themselves--it's still not hard to find.
Yeah, back in 1991 and the years preceding it, there was a HUGE underground scene of quality bands. I don't see that these days (though admittedly, I don't get out as much as I used to; I mean, I still do, but just not as much).
There is still a lot of tremendous music out there; it just has to compete with PS3's, the XBox, Android phones, the internet and who knows what else for people's entertainment $.
There may not be an MTV anymore to get behind indie rock anymore, although, of course, MTV didn't get behind Nirvana until they were on a major label, but, nowadays, a band like Fleet Foxes can stay on Sub Pop and still hit the top five on the Billboard charts, and Arcade Fire can stay on Merge and hit #1 and win a Grammy for Album of the Year, so, in a lot of ways, indie rock is better off now than it was in 1991.
But are the Foo Fighters really helping?
I mean you just know how a Foo's song is going to go....
I am not really trying to thread crap ....but I do think it's a little hypocritical of him.
I completely agree--acts that are on indie labels definitely get more exposure than they used to, with the Arcade Fire and Fleet Foxes being among the best examples. I think a large part of that is the Internet becoming an effective avenue for connecting indie music to its audience. This seems to have had a spillover effect into other media; my local adult-album-alternative radio station plays acts on Merge and Subpop all the time. (Not 4AD, though, which is too bad--I'd love to hear the National on my radio.) If you are going to be on an indie label, now is probably a better time to be on one than twenty years ago.
At the same time, if it were 1991 instead of the present, I think a lot of acts currently on indie labels would have been on major labels instead. They would have had even more exposure, putting them into better position to break open into a larger audience like the grunge acts (or R.E.M.) did back in 1991. Indie rock today is in good shape, but I think that it is likely to remain, well, indie rock, rather than rising in the public consciousness to the level that "alternative" rock did in the 1990's.
Dave Grohl says today's musical climate is just like 1991
Sums it up for me.
Guitar bands, overlooked? Most festivals here are sold out in only a few minutes.
While the latest Britney-concert was far from sold out ...
Grunge was very popular but only a few songs charted: Nirvana and Pearl Jam.
Saying, that charts were full of indie in '91 isn't right.
The impact of MTV then was huge, but now there's youtube. People no longer sit the whole day before the TV to watch that particular video.
As far as I can remember the majority of tracks in charts back in the 90's were supercommercial eurodance (girl singing + rapper) with prefab beat (better than the Flo-Rida, Black Eyed Peas, Guetta stuff we got today). And then there were boybands (NKOTB, BSB) and the Spice Girls.
There was less "alternative music" in the charts then today. I can only remember a few "crossover" songs:
Rage Against the Machine (1 hit)
Breeders (1 hit)
Cranberries (2 hits)
Cardigans (1 hit)
Nirvana (3-4 hits)
Liquido: Narcotic (1 hit)
Iggy Pop (Candy) (1 hit)
Therapy? (1 hit)
RHCP (2 hits)
Green Day (1 hit)
Guano Apes (Open Your Eyes, Lords of the Boards) (2 hits)
Only a handful of songs in a whole decade, while we have now a handful of alternative songs/year!
I like how the headline transforms the actual quote "not unlike" to "just like".
Hypocritical? Not according to my dictionary.
I have felt this for a few years, but I still have yet to realize which band might breakthrough & shift the landscape again. All other **** aside, Cobain was a great rock star & what young band has a frontman who could breakthrough? Maybe this is more like the early 80's and whoever it is that will do it is in their bedroom practicing right now...
Go to a few local festivals and you will quickly see there is a very large very popular underground brewing.
If something got big, the major labels got involved. Which is bad for a band's creativity. Not much new bands will get a "carte blanche" from their label.
Thank God for labels such as 4AD, Domino, PIAS, Subpop,...
That's an incredibly vague assessment, and I don't have any reason to believe that there is any more or less interest in indy music than in recent decades. There has always been an "underground" brewing; it's every group or genre that isn't in the spotlight at the current moment.
Yet, there were constant reminders, at the time, that the average Nirvana fan was an aliented, flannel shirt-wearing high school kid. If we're to judge by appearances, there don't seem to be any Aerosmith or Sting fans in any of the frames of the Paramount Blu Ray disc.
climate maybe... but no cash to propel it out there into the landscape... micro climates only... and all the cool us bands are playing festivals in europe and booking mini tours around them, at least street punk bands and stuff I like... it's sade, bad economy mixed with very small buying public...
No it's different this year and there are several national bands that are part of it. There are tons of bands touring dive bars right now on the verge of breaking. Seriously I go to clubs and shows constantly and right now it's different then it has been for at least the past decade.
He's got a great point. Only nowadays people aren't spoon fed their music.
I love when Bon Iver or some other indie artist has a #1 or Top5. Never would of happened 15 years ago.
Thing is, almost everyone on this thread, so far, is looking at it from a rock perspective. That perspective of how it was in the early 90s ignores the rise in popularity of rap. It ain't going away, either.
I really hope he's right. I kinda skimmed through the '90s when they were happening. i found a lot to love in Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead, etc. But it was years later before I discovered Pavement, Built to Spill, Sleater-Kinney, Yo La Tengo and some of the other real gems of that era.
These days, I love the National, Black Keys, Spoon and a lot of Stephen Malkmus' work with the Jicks. I look forward to discovering more of what else is out there.
I just got through listening to the most popular downloaded singles on iTunes. I heard a nice mixture of musical styles, including some rock. It's just that rock isn't front and center like it once was, that's all. It has to share the spotlight with country, rap, easy listening, and dance pop. If people can't accept that, I suggest they go back to their old rock albums.
He was a member of Nirvana.
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