David Bowie A New Career In A New Town 1977 1982 Boxset 3

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  1. SoundAdvice

    SoundAdvice Forum Resident

    Apparently Bowie lost out on the bidding to rescore the Metropolis soundtrack. His gentle dig at Moroder has added weight to it.

    Fantastic Voyage and Reptition are good and appeared in set lists 20 years later. I think 6 out of the 10 songs from Lodger were played live.
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  2. Neonbeam

    Neonbeam All Art Was Once Contemporary

    "Lodger" takes time. Read my early posts in the dedicated thread. Never really "got" the album until a couple of years ago. Now I like it as much as the other two.
  3. thoutah

    thoutah Forum Resident

    SF Bay Area
    Lodger took me a while too. I always liked the excellent "Boys Keep Swinging" and "DJ," of course, which I still think are the album's standouts, but it took years before I really connected with the rest of the album. I still don't like it quite as much as "the other two," nor as much as Scary Monsters, but it's nevertheless nice when you persevere with an album like that and it finally clicks.
  4. LesMcQueen

    LesMcQueen Member

    I might be in a minority but I love Move On. His voice is great, especially the plaintive spitting towards the end, the traveloguing in the lyrics is entertaining and the drums act effectively as a rolling train carriage while our hero struggles to truly "move on".
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  5. Mo0g

    Mo0g Active Member

    Being able to 'discover' or 'get' albums like Lodger are the reason I am getting the vinyl box sets. I think you need to invest time and get intimate with the music, so for me that means setting time aside, sitting down, lights down, drink in hand, headphones on and playing the vinyl, eyes shut or at least not getting distracted with anything else in the world. In fact, thats the reason I got back into vinyl full stop.

    That is why I am looking forward to this box set particularly, with such revered albums, and hope its as revelatory as The Gouster was, for me.
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  6. Nick Fuller

    Nick Fuller Active Member

    Where will people buy this from?

    Looking for cheapest pre order in UK
  7. TonyCzar

    TonyCzar Forum Resident

    PhIladelphia, PA
    Just throwing in two thumbs up for the Au Pairs' cover of "Repetition", found on their first album, which would have been 1980 or 1981.
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  8. Steve Carroll

    Steve Carroll Active Member

    Palm Springs CA
    No love for Fantastic Voyage or Repetition? Lodger is one of my favorite Bowie records. And I thinks his vocals on it are some of the best he recorded. I also think it is an interesting record as it is Bowie's only 'socio - political' album with themes such as the arms race, immigration and domestic abuse.
  9. redeyedandblue

    redeyedandblue Active Member

    Best deal I can see currently (from a UK-based seller, at least) is whatrecords.co.uk - £86.99 for the CD set, £169.99 for the vinyl (+£8 shipping for either). IME, they're very reliable with delivering stuff on release date (and you often get it several days before).

    (I got my Amazon UK pre-order for the CD set locked in at £90 on the day the set was announced, but I see they've since hiked the price up to the £99.99 RRP).
  10. OldSoul

    OldSoul Forum Resident

    Oberlin, OH
    It's more of a British thing. I knew that would come up, though.
  11. Neonbeam

    Neonbeam All Art Was Once Contemporary

    "Playing With A Different Sex" is from 1981 but I never was a fan of that album. Or their "Repetition" version.
  12. Neonbeam

    Neonbeam All Art Was Once Contemporary

    In preparation for this box and with upcoming summer holidays I'd recommend to grab "Live On Tour With David Bowie - We Can Be Heroes" by the late Sean Mayes. An excellent account of what is now commonly referred to as the "Stage" tour that offers great insight and a new perspective.
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  13. nick jones

    nick jones Member

    where's the alternative Lodger album?
    Portrait Of An Artist
    Working Party
    Emphasis On Repetition
    I Bit You Back
    The Tangled Web We Weave
    Pope Brian
    Enos Jungle Box
    Burning Eyes
  14. LesMcQueen

    LesMcQueen Member

    How many of those are early demos of songs released on the album? Hopefully we'll get'em on the Supa-deluxe in 2029. Or the Cantdiewithoutmoredave special in 2050.
  15. karmaman

    karmaman Forum Resident

    mostly working titles only.
    unreleased: Aztec, Eno's Jungle Box, Pope Brian (a synth instrumental), Working Party
    retitled: Burning Eyes > African Night Flight; Emphasis on Repetition > Repetition; Fury > Look Back In Anger; I Bit You Back > DJ; Portrait Of An Artist > Fantastic Voyage; The Tangled Web We Weave > Move On
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  16. sunspot42

    sunspot42 Forum Resident

    San Francisco
    I like it more than I like most of Lodger.
  17. oldturkey

    oldturkey Forum Resident

    Lodger really turns a lot of you off - I don't get it.
    As Steve Carroll said upthread the vocals on Lodger are really good - great depth/resonance. Adrian Belew's guitar is like aural fireworks. How anyone cannot see Boys Keep Swinging as such a riot - a tongue-in-cheek hook-laden alternative pop song (it should have been a #1 hit) is beyond me. Fantastic Voyage is a beautiful opener and such a human lyric. Ditto Move On. Repetition is a great brave song for the 1970s - ahead of its time and a very unusual arrangement. Red Sails and DJ are stunners. I'm not too keen on Look Back In Anger but I don't really know why. Maybe overrated. Red Money isn't as good as Sister Midnight on The Idiot African Night Flight still almost leaves me stunned it's so out there. When the Cricket Menace comes in it's just so perfect.

    How can people not see it?

    I notice the old "Which is the front of the Lodger sleeve" conundrum has been added to by this set.

  18. karmaman

    karmaman Forum Resident

    it's not you who doesn't get it. their loss.
  19. Zach Johnson

    Zach Johnson Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Toronto, Ontario
    African Night Flight is excellent, as is Yassassin, which reminds me quite a bit of Adrian Belew's later solo work. I actually hear a lot of Belew in Lodger. I know he didn't write any of the songs, so perhaps he was just influenced by Bowie and Lodger going forward into his own albums.
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  20. karmaman

    karmaman Forum Resident

    i think bowie gave his musicians the freedom to bring their own ideas to the table. belew's contribution to lodger is huge.
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  21. pobbard

    pobbard Forum Resident

    Boston, MA
    I love Lodger, although I admit it didn't grab me quickly like Low or Scary Monsters; it was a slow burn. It also is without parallel, in terms of sonics and thematics, in the DB catalog, and that makes me appreciate it even more.

    It's always interesting to see what other Bowie fans like/dislike, but I'd include tracks like "African Nite Flight" and "Move On" and "Boys Keep Swinging" as among my favorite DB tracks, ever.

    As far as the remix goes, I'm curious to see what Visconti comes up with as I know he'd made noises over the years about being unhappy with the final mix. But it can't replace the mix that's been burned into me for 20+ years. (Although given the track record of DB remixes to date - Ziggy Stardust and Station to Station - the bar for a decent or at least interesting remix is pretty low now).
  22. dumaisaudio

    dumaisaudio Member

    I have to agree, Boys Keep Swinging isn't one of my favorites, and I usually skip it, same with Repetition.

    As for the bonus tracks, I don't see why anyone would expect the Ryko exclusive tracks to show up here. Heck, some of them are in question as to whether or not they actually originated from this period. In Nicholas Pegg's book, Visconti says he doesn't remember hearing or recording I Prey Ole or All Saints before 1991, which suggests that they were heavily reworked at that time. The re-recording of Look Back In Anger is from 1988, and the remixes are pretty bad and dated. Plus, if you want that stuff, the Ryko CD's are easily had and for $10 a piece usually.

    To me, the main reasons of the box sets are to get these albums back in print on vinyl. If you're a casual fan, the main albums are available individually. If you're a bigger fan, the box sets offer you some more. There will always be something missing that fans will complain about, but I think on the whole, it's a good reissue campaign which is doing justice to the Bowie catalog. And thankfully, the industry as a whole has come back around to doing good remasters (look at the recent Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin reissues as well), so they sound good and faithful to the originals.
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  23. Steve Carroll

    Steve Carroll Active Member

    Palm Springs CA
    Ah, the cover art. Believe me I have tried to 'get it' as an artistic statement, and despite ruminating on it and reading various articles about it, I have failed. Having two Lodgers' in the set enables a "I plead the 5th" to the question of "Which is the front of the Lodger Sleeve". Perhaps this is the real reason we are being presented with two copies of said album. It certainly gave shelf stackers a conundrum back in the day: "Do I go with blurry legs, or the blurry bent nose face that looks sod all like that Bowie bloke".
  24. thoutah

    thoutah Forum Resident

    SF Bay Area
    It's funny, I actually agree with almost everything you say here, and I'm also not super keen on "Look Back in Anger." But I think for me it's that I like the albums on either side of it (as well as Low) more. For example, Low and "Heroes" have zero weak tracks, in my humble opinion, whereas Lodger has an inferior remake of "Sister Moonlight" that feels to me like filler; the aforementioned "Look Back in Anger," which I just don't find all that interesting; "Repetition" is cool, but I wouldn't rank it up there with his best work; ditto "Red Sails," though arrangement and Belew's work on the latter are wonderful. I can definitely appreciate the manic, experimental nature of "African Night Flight," though as a composition, for me it doesn't have the same emotional resonance of many of his other songs from the late 70s. So, that's five songs - half the album - that I don't really consider to be top drawer Bowie; it's good stuff, but not outstanding. However, I think the rest of the album is superb. But as I've said above, I also think this is a weird case where the murky sound hinders the album ever so slightly. So, I guess my point is that, for me, Lodger suffers only in comparison with the albums that surround it in terms of consistency and overall sound.
  25. Curveboy

    Curveboy Forum Resident

    New York City
    I'd I'd say Look Back in Anger is essential Bowie...maybe top 10 Bowie.
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